Weekend Stakes Beyers

[taxicab]

Interesting number for Songbird[99],so the lifetime 11 for 11(7 Grade 1's) winner still hasn't Beyered higher than Hit It Once More (102/New York Derby/Finger Lakes) this year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Interesting number for Songbird[99],so the lifetime 11 for 11(7 Grade 1's) winner still hasn't Beyered higher than Hit It Once More (102/New York Derby/Finger Lakes) this year.

And the 101 is probably a few points high to boot

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

And the 101 is probably a few points high to boot

Songbird's BSFs are comparable to Beholder's at 3. She only threw up a triple digit Beyer in her first start against older horses. Even now at 6, Beholder tends to register Beyers in the 90s while often winning in similar fashion to Songbird, often geared down.

As far as dominant 3yo fillies go, it would be interesting to see other champion 3yo filly BSFs in the recent past. Rachel Alexandra and Silverbulletday were clearly faster at 3 based on BSFs. They were also mere shadows of their former selves at 4. I think Banshee Breeze was faster. I don't think Sky Beauty consistently Beyered over 100, nor Blind Luck. Untapable threw up 2 big numbers in the Fair Grounds and Kentucky Oaks but was otherwise stuck in the high 90s the rest of her career.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Songbird's BSFs are comparable to Beholder's at 3. She only threw up a triple digit Beyer in her first start against older horses. Even now at 6, Beholder tends to register Beyers in the 90s while often winning in similar fashion to Songbird, often geared down.

As far as dominant 3yo fillies go, it would be interesting to see other champion 3yo filly BSFs in the recent past. Rachel Alexandra and Silverbulletday were clearly faster at 3 based on BSFs. They were also mere shadows of their former selves at 4. I think Banshee Breeze was faster. I don't think Sky Beauty consistently Beyered over 100, nor Blind Luck. Untapable threw up 2 big numbers in the Fair Grounds and Kentucky Oaks but was otherwise stuck in the high 90s the rest of her career.

I think comparing her with Rachel at this point is fruitless and off putting Songbird has earned better then to be compared with a filly she isn't. Rachel too date was in completely different league not because of Fig's but because of the competition he had beaten in fast races. Connects have done everything right, filly has been way better then her competition.
I don't think SB wins the Distaff, I think hitting the board would be a heck of an accomplishment.

Songbird's campaign has been extraordinary and I could really care what her figs have been other then for handicapping and betting. I haven't seen many better 3 year old fillies that's for dam sure, faster not necessarily better.

[Pants II]

I was going to say Rachel is a "she" but it's "the current year" so maybe that changed.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think comparing her with Rachel at this point is fruitless and off putting Songbird has earned better then to be compared with a filly she isn't. Rachel too date was in completely different league not because of Fig's but because of the competition he had beaten in fast races. Connects have done everything right, filly has been way better then her competition.
I don't think SB wins the Distaff, I think hitting the board would be a heck of an accomplishment.

Songbird's campaign has been extraordinary and I could really care what her figs have been other then for handicapping and betting. I haven't seen many better 3 year old fillies that's for dam sure, faster not necessarily better.

Explain the last 4 words? How does that work?

[Indian Charlie]

What have you done!?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Explain the last 4 words? How does that work?

We all have seen fillies run bigger figs then SB best too date they arent better then she IMO

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

We all have seen fillies run bigger figs then SB best too date they arent better then she IMO

Icon Project would beat her 10/10 times at 9f and up.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

And the 101 is probably a few points high to boot

I know you're one of the top figure makers in the game Freddy, but you might want to check with Nick on that number.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

And the 101 is probably a few points high to boot

The 101 is a few points high in my opinion, but the 102 for Hit It Once More was proven quite clearly in every subsequent start for the field to be accurate.

And full disclosure, I made that FL figure.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Interesting number for Songbird[99],so the lifetime 11 for 11(7 Grade 1's) winner still hasn't Beyered higher than Hit It Once More (102/New York Derby/Finger Lakes) this year.

And people defend her like she's this super horse.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

And people defend her like she's this super horse.

It's not that it's just her competition are plugs. You can't will a horse to beat her, RHT. The crop is absolutely abysmal and it's unfair she gets criticized and doubted when there isn't a horse she's run against the past two races that is worth a bottle of piss.