Extreme Vetting

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

Thoughts? We are in a different world and are confronted with very savvy enemies that are well aware how to work the systems in place. I have no problem with extreme vetting. We cannot simply keep doing things the old way because that is how we did it back when we weren't targets.

In the past 100 years we were targets of anarchists, Nazis & domestic Bundists, 'Red Terror'.. They were all pretty savvy.

Destroy the premise of this country and we'll be consumed from within. It seems a certain percentage are hell bent on that course, so have at it.

But note this quote from attorney James Donovan who defended Russian spy Rudolf Abel.. "If the free world is not faithful to its own moral code, there remains no society for which others may hunger."

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

In the past 100 years we were targets of anarchists, Nazis & domestic Bundists, 'Red Terror'.. They were all pretty savvy.

Destroy the premise of this country and we'll be consumed from within. It seems a certain percentage are hell bent on that course, so have at it.

But note this quote from attorney James Donovan who defended Russian spy Rudolf Abel.. "If the free world is not faithful to its own moral code, there remains no society for which others may hunger."

The solution most certainly is not reducing the vetting time by 80%. In what world would anyone consider that a reasonable course of action? When one of those commits an act of terroism killing thousands will those that support reducing vetting time by 80% man up and admit to their catastrophic mistake? Most likely they will shrink into the shadows or worse yet blame those who are tasked with finding the proverbial needle in the haystack in 80% less time. I have no probelm with LEGAL immigration and have stated so numerous times down here but I am certainly for seriously vetting of those coming from parts of the world where terrorisim is an everyday occurrence. To your point . The number and magnitude of attacks today far far exceeds those of the groups that you cite. Failing to accept that and yearning for days long gone is dangeous and grossly irresponsible.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

The solution most certainly is not reducing the vetting time by 80%. In what world would anyone consider that a reasonable course of action? When one of those commits an act of terroism killing thousands will those that support reducing vetting time by 80% man up and admit to their catastrophic mistake? Most likely they will shrink into the shadows or worse yet blame those who are tasked with finding the proverbial needle in the haystack in 80% less time. I have no probelm with LEGAL immigration and have stated so numerous times down here but I am certainly for seriously vetting of those coming from parts of the world where terrorisim is an everyday occurrence. To your point . The number and magnitude of attacks today far far exceeds those of the groups that you cite. Failing to accept that and yearning for days long gone is dangeous and grossly irresponsible.

Actually, you are the one yearning for days gone by when immigration was far stricter than now...when anyone born here of asian parents were barred citizenship for example.

[Pants II]

It is an issue that should've been addressed 30 years ago. It's already too late.

In 20 years the rich will be spending more money to get away from the masses.

The rest of us will suffer for their stupidity.

After all it's the rich who decide everything.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Actually, you are the one yearning for days gone by when immigration was far stricter than now...when anyone born here of asian parents were barred citizenship for example.

No I am yearning for the days when decisions were based on statistical analysis and probability of something happening and not by stupid ****ing politically correct sheep not wanting to hurt someones feelings. What logic would dictate that immigration be made easier in a world where terrorisim has now spread to Europe via infiltrated immigrants from the very refugees you wish to reduce vetting time on.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

No I am yearning for the days when decisions were based on statistical analysis and probability of something happening and not by stupid ****ing politically correct sheep not wanting to hurt someones feelings.

Thats not how it was.
its funny you say statistical analysis while ignoring that we are safer now than ever...and that includes brown people coming here.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Thats not how it was.
its funny you say statistical analysis while ignoring that we are safer now than ever...and that includes brown people coming here.

Awesome and well reasoned point

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Awesome and well reasoned point

And what of the rest? Just ignore it?

A certain segment of society here has always wanted to change the rules when a new group started showing up. Catholics, chinese, irish, jews...we had a number set for people from germany...til it was their jews coming here. Fear has always caused some to preach isolationism and closing the borders to 'those people'. Yet, those scared ones like to say theyre the realists.

One other thing....you went off on me for using that emogee once in a response to you, because i was not getting something you said. Am i supposed to come unglued now?

[Pants II]

If you really wanted to delve into crime statistics you would find that the narrative we're having less crime is a joke in itself. A lie so big that you would have to suffer from head lodged up arse for the span of a decade, if not more.

[Pants II]

Just look up crime stats from the early 60's and compare them today. Then look up the amount of crime by race.

Then laugh at the liberal comments.