Black Monday

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It has nothing to do with Taylor and neither McCoy nor Watkins were gone "a majority of the season". The problem is he took a top 5 defense and turned it into a bottom 10 defense with his best players openly saying they're not being used correctly. And you're giving him credit for going 1-5 against playoff teams? It's nice that he won his Super Bowl games against the Jets, but when you're purely a defensive coach and you regress as badly as they did on D, that's a big red flag.

Not really a fair statement.

Ryan’s defense works a lot better when he has corners that can play good man-to-man

Last year with Jets the team had injuries, a horrific GM, and absolutely NO SECONDARY. Their CBs gave up too many big plays. This year the Jets went out and signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist so Bowles could essentially run Rex's scheme.

Rex's certainly earned himself some due criticism (as you correctly pointed out) - Namely, he allowed his best pass rushers to drop into coverage as an over compensation for the lack of CB talent & he blitzed too much.

But injuries were a huge problem.

Also bear in mind this year the Bills have lost Kyle Williams, so factor that in.

It's disingenuous to compare 2014 NYJ secondary to 2015 and blame that all on Rex.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Not really a fair statement.

Ryan’s defense works a lot better when he has corners that can play good man-to-man

Last year with Jets the team had injuries, a horrific GM, and absolutely NO SECONDARY. Their CBs gave up too many big plays. This year the Jets went out and signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist so Bowles could essentially run Rex's scheme.

Rex's certainly earned himself some due criticism (as you correctly pointed out) - Namely, he allowed his best pass rushers to drop into coverage as an over compensation for the lack of CB talent & he blitzed too much.

But injuries were a huge problem.

Also bear in mind this year the Bills have lost Kyle Williams, so factor that in.

It's disingenuous to compare 2014 NYJ secondary to 2015 and blame that all on Rex.

Dude he has Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus drop into pass coverage. He shoved his ****ing half ass system down the throat of a perfectly good defense cause he is an arrogant **** who should never get another head coaching job

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude he has Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus drop into pass coverage. He shoved his ****ing half ass system down the throat of a perfectly good defense cause he is an arrogant **** who should never get another head coaching job

Wow. Ok.

My only point was that he needs DB's to effectively run is scheme and he hasn't had that the past 2 years. If they continuously pass rush with no secondary, the results are the same and then he's then crucified for not dropping back into coverage.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wow. Ok.

My only point was that he needs DB's to effectively run is scheme and he hasn't had that the past 2 years. If they continuously pass rush with no secondary, the results are the same and then he's then crucified for not dropping back into coverage.

They had 54 sacks last year and lead the league. They had 21 and finished 31st this year...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

They had 54 sacks last year and lead the league. They had 21 and finished 31st this year...

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

He inherited a Ferrari defense and proceeded to use it to pull a tractor through a cornfield. He is able to sell stupid people with his bravado cause they want to believe all the good things he is selling them. Ki d of like a sleazy used car salesman.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jms62

He inherited a Ferrari defense and proceeded to use it to pull a tractor through a cornfield. He is able to sell stupid people with his bravado cause they want to believe all the good things he is selling them. Ki d of like a sleazy used car salesman.

This is 100% right and anyone who doesn't see this hasn't paid enough attention to Rex's time as a head coach.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

He inherited a Ferrari defense and proceeded to use it to pull a tractor through a cornfield. He is able to sell stupid people with his bravado cause they want to believe all the good things he is selling them. Ki d of like a sleazy used car salesman.

This is how you straighten it out:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...b-ryan-defense

This is either going to be epic, or a complete dumpster fire - no in-between.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

Should a coach make a system based on the players he has, or should he make the players try to fit his system?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Should a coach make a system based on the players he has, or should he make the players try to fit his system?

Should a coach be responsible for accepting a job knowing the players he has to work with will fit his system, and then get blindsided when the most basic element of said system is stripped away before he even shows up?

They knew what they were getting when they hired him, they knew his system.

Rex's system is completely reliant on shut down corners. You lose that, it flounders - just it did in the last year with the Jets, just like it does with missing pieces of any other defensive scheme.

If you want to blame someone, look to the GM and VP of Player Personnel for the decisions they made knowing what the backbone of his system is, or more disturbingly, were too ignorant to realize the impact of what they were doing.



Either way it falls on them, not the coach.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And they also had Stephon Gilmore and Corey Graham last year to augment Mckelvin at CB allowing their position players (ie. Williams, Dareus) to do what they do... They had neither this year and that compromised the system.

WTW???!!! Corey Graham had a pretty solid season this year.