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Old 12-07-2015, 07:51 AM
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No, it's deflection. 64% of Americans disapprove of Obama's handling of ISIS, and his (and Hillary's) foreign policy regarding Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are abject failures, so he's falling back on his favorite boogieman.

Keeping those on the no-fly list from buying guns sounds right, doesn't it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/op...terrorism.html

But wait -- just a year ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/op...?_r=1&referer=

But hey, these might be dangerous folks, right? Including the 72 Department of Homeland Security employees who are on the list? Why haven't they been fired? Why haven't the hundreds of thousands on the list been arrested? Detained? Snap! Due process.

Who wasn't on the no-fly list? The San Bernardino shooters. The Fort Hood shooter. The Chattanooga shooter. The Boston bombers.

So once again our President proposes something which sounds like it might be effective, but wouldn't have prevented that with which he justifies it. No thanks, I am not in favor of the government denying second amendment rights based on a secret list that only they control.
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Old 12-07-2015, 09:35 AM
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so you think that an event like this shouldn't be used to go after others not tied to the event? not used to make a blanket policy?
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Old 12-07-2015, 09:40 AM
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See if this opinion piece helps to convey my thinking. I have a helluvalotta respect for the author.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...re-terrorists/
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See if this opinion piece helps to convey my thinking. I have a helluvalotta respect for the author.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...re-terrorists/
I don't agree if it can save 1 life but I do see your point.. Complicated.
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Old 12-07-2015, 10:54 AM
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I don't agree if it can save 1 life but I do see your point.. Complicated.
of course it's complicated.
that's the issue with many things, there are no easy answers. and we all want them, don't we?
seems on the face of it, that if someone is deemed to dangerous to fly in or out of country, they should be too dangerous to buy a gun. but who decides who is on the list, and how do they decide?
same as if someone is mentally ill, who decides?

and as we know from past experience, any and every program under the sun has people who abuse it, and people who use it for their own personal vendettas.
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Secret US Policy Blocks Agents From Looking at Social Media of Visa Applicants, Former Official Says

http://abcnews.go.com/US/secret-us-p...refer_homepage

“It was primarily a question of optics,” said Cohen. “There were concerns from a privacy and civil liberties perspective that while this was not illegal, that it would be viewed negatively if it was disclosed publicly.”

Another former counter-terrorism official cosigned Cohen’s frustration.

“Why the State Department and Homeland Security Department have not leveraged the power of social media is beyond me.” . . .
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Old 12-14-2015, 05:21 PM
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That's so stupid...public postings aren't a privacy issue at all. Unbelievable.
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