Gov Haley demands rebel flag removal

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The rebel flag is a symbol, to many it represents the worst of human nature...I resent this writers arrogant assumption that I think removing it from our culture will end racism and bigotry...

Gosh, sorry you took offense. I didn't know you worked in the media. Television or print?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Gosh, sorry you took offense. I didn't know you worked in the media. Television or print?

No...I don't work in the media. While I understand the writer was challenging the media's coverage, I found his implication that the rest of us are mindless sheep who are controlled by media coverage and thusly adhere to the naïve concept that if the rebel flag is gone everything will be "all good".

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No...I don't work in the media. While I understand the writer was challenging the media's coverage, I found his implication that the rest of us are mindless sheep who are controlled by media coverage and thusly adhere to the naïve concept that if the rebel flag is gone everything will be "all good".

One might believe, judging by the amount of media coverage dedicated to the significance of the flag's removal, that everything WILL be "all good." I agree with the writer:

This is in fact what outrage culture does. We’re addicted to judgment porn, and this is just the latest example. And just like traditional porn, outrage porn serves only for momentary release. Confederate flag burning doesn’t actually do anything to stop racism. It’s a complete sideshow. And once we’ve blown up every confederate statue and smashed every tombstone with Confederate marks and erased all evidence of the Confederacy from our roads, we’ll still have the scourge of racism and every other sin with us.

I'm happy the flag is coming down. But it's a knee jerk reaction. Does anyone believe that had it been removed in 2000 instead of relocated to the confederate soldiers memorial this shooting would not have occurred? Likewise, does anyone believe that any of the gun laws proposed after Sandy Hook would have prevented it?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by OldDog

One might believe, judging by the amount of media coverage dedicated to the significance of the flag's removal, that everything WILL be "all good." I agree with the writer:



I'm happy the flag is coming down. But it's a knee jerk reaction. Does anyone believe that had it been removed in 2000 instead of relocated to the confederate soldiers memorial this shooting would not have occurred? Likewise, does anyone believe that any of the gun laws proposed after Sandy Hook would have prevented it?

I agree that hate and violence won't stop with the removal of a symbol, or gun laws but that's not the point....when one perceives something as "wrong", one is obligated to try and fix it. The rebel flag is an affront to not only blacks but all folks who see it as both a reminder of past and present racism. I support rational gun laws, the ones that restrict automatic and semi-automatic weapons, require background checks for everyone desiring to purchase any gun and regulates the sale and transportation of lethal weapons. I also support reforms and increased funding for the mental health system, coupled with a national data base allowing professionals to identify potential violent folks and a process allowing said folks to get treatment. None of this will stop violence, but it will, in my opinion, be steps in the right direction. Again, removal of the rebel flag from government domains isn't a knee-jerk reaction rather a long overdue reform.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, removal of the rebel flag from government domains isn't a knee-jerk reaction rather a long overdue reform.

This this this. I fail to understand why a nation would honor the symbols of an insurrection against the nation. Private citizens, whatever, you want to publicly show you're a bigot by flying the Stars and Bars on your lawn, be my guest. But for state governments to use taxpayer money to do it? What?

The swastika may be a symbol with 12,000 years of history behind it, and for 11,920 of those years it was a positive symbol. But I ain't flying it in my yard, nor do I think Germany should (and of course, Germany banned it years ago).

Though of course, sales of the Confederate battle flag did make for some hilarious Amazon reviews:

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

One might believe, judging by the amount of media coverage dedicated to the significance of the flag's removal, that everything WILL be "all good." I agree with the writer:



I'm happy the flag is coming down. But it's a knee jerk reaction. Does anyone believe that had it been removed in 2000 instead of relocated to the confederate soldiers memorial this shooting would not have occurred? Likewise, does anyone believe that any of the gun laws proposed after Sandy Hook would have prevented it?

of course it won't be all good. and of course the shooting would still have occurred.
that doesn't mean the flag should remain either. it's too bad it took such a thing to get those bozos to take it down, but it's certainly not a cure all or anything of the sort. but it does remove a blight, one that should have been gone long ago. well, it shouldn't have been put back up. it was done as a collective nose thumbing toward dc back when the civil rights movement was gearing up. it wasn't for heritage, it wasn't for pride, it was to send a message.

[Rudeboyelvis]

RACIST CAR!!



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...evel-pc-idiocy

This is Orwellian

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

RACIST CAR!!



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...evel-pc-idiocy

This is Orwellian

well, it is racist.
they can strip it, or not. it's their choice. i haven't heard anyone say the flag should be banned, barred, not sold, not bought. everyone individual can fly whatever bloody flag they wish.
but it should NOT be on property like state capitols, that's just ridiculous.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This is Orwellian

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

RACIST CAR!!



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...evel-pc-idiocy

This is Orwellian

Indeed. But what does it matter. We are seriously screwed anyway. Legislators are bought, and what they write into law means nothing. This is all pretend.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Indeed. But what does it matter. We are seriously screwed anyway. Legislators are bought, and what they write into law means nothing. This is all pretend.

Please post links to where the decision to stop manufacturing General Lee toys was in any way due to legislation passed by any government, local, state or national. This was a business choice made by a company. They decided continuing to manufacture the toy is bad for business, so they are stopping. This is purely market-driven.

Here are some other toys that are no longer made:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/767254/

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Indeed. But what does it matter. We are seriously screwed anyway. Legislators are bought, and what they write into law means nothing. This is all pretend.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

RACIST CAR!!



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...evel-pc-idiocy

This is Orwellian

Political correctness is undergoing what is referred to in Latin as "reductio ad absurdum."