American Pharoah... what's next for our new Champion? (The Haskell)

[Scav]

I want to him race the rest of this year but would be shocked for him to ever even work again. The insurance premiums will be massive considering they will be insuring against in the shred. guessing 200k to start with 125 book max

They have to say what they are saying now but doubt Coolmore cuts that insurance check with nothing to gain, and everything to lose

My guess is a slight hip fracture, like an illum, will be the excuse.

[GenuineRisk]

Article about his arrival back at Churchill includes video. Pharoah kindly stopped and posed whenever he saw a camera. Hilarious.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...hurchill-downs

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

I want to him race the rest of this year but would be shocked for him to ever even work again. The insurance premiums will be massive considering they will be insuring against in the shred. guessing 200k to start with 125 book max

They have to say what they are saying now but doubt Coolmore cuts that insurance check with nothing to gain, and everything to lose

My guess is a slight hip fracture, like an illum, will be the excuse.

Sadly I think this is the correct scenario...other than the injury perhaps. I think once the dust settles and the media goes away, they just turn him out for rest...and then he never comes back. We found a little heat, a swelling, a chip..something minor. Can't risk him not coming back 100%, yada yada

[DonGuido]

I'll take a Breeders Cup Classic entry and a win. But he'll have to race at least once or twice before that. I'm convinced that Zayat is true to his word and wouldn't lead the racing public and real fans on. He has this worked out with Coolmore, don't kid yourself. Zayat still owns controlling interest in him, so go figure. If I'm Mr. Zayat, wish I was tight now, I'd be very selective but run him for sure, if for nobody else but for me and my family.

Lastly, probably not though about all this, is that I don't think any of us understand how significant this horse is, how special he is and how important what he did this weekend will prove to be. We'll find out as the next few months and few years go by.

Is there any horse right now that's more worthy of all this hype? None, thank you very much. I can't wait to get in the office tomorrow and high five all those interested parties up and down the hallway and in and out offices. It will wear off soon, maybe.

[Indian Charlie]

There are incentives in place for zayat at to keep him winning. These will more than easily pay for the increased insurance premium, which is probably being paid for by Coolmore anyways.

They could make another 5 million in purses as well.

Of course, his speed figures are glacial like, so he'll probably never win again.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

There are incentives in place for zayat at to keep him winning. These will more than easily pay for the increased insurance premium, which is probably being paid for by Coolmore anyways.

They could make another 5 million in purses as well.

Of course, his speed figures are glacial like, so he'll probably never win again.

Huh???

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Huh???

his speed figures, particularly beyers, have been comically and idiotically low.

I'm being facetious about him never winning again.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

his speed figures, particularly beyers, have been comically and idiotically low.

I'm being facetious about him never winning again.

I am one that does believe in speed figures, but I believe in a realistic manner. They are never the be all and end all on handicapping a horse. There are other factors to take into account, in particular whether a horse is likely to increase or decrease off a certain speed figure in a particular scenario and whether the figure is likely to be accurate under the particular circumstances, trip, dynamics, etc. I find it interesting that the 105 that Beyer has assigned and the 128 that Craig has is likely to be much more accurate due to a 1 1/2 mile race being run earlier in the card.

Having said that, I don't have handy the fractions of Smarty Jones' Belmont but I am pretty certain it went much faster than AP's did early on and taking into factors overall, particularly the dynamics that Smarty faced in the Belmont versus AP on Saturday, I believe that Smarty ran a better race. I also think that AP has a lot of room for improvement off what he has run thus far but only time will tell if the connections are true that he will continue racing.

But at the end of the day, I think if the Breeder's Cup were one month from today, Shared Belief would easily beat AP right now. A race or two down the line and improvement by AP by November might change my opinion, but I believe the evidence we have right now supports that conclusion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

his speed figures, particularly beyers, have been comically and idiotically low.

I'm being facetious about him never winning again.

His BSF's are a function of math and science not creative license or subjective opinion. I agree as do some other prominent fig makers that the Beyer's methodology in routes seems to be declining in routes, I dont begin to understand why he is of opinion horses around the country save GP are getting slower. I dont know. I do know Andy Beyer knows WAY more about horses and racing then I do in fact probably more then everyone but a select few. He like all of us gets it wrong in a sport that is incredibly humbling, that hardily mitigates his brilliance as a capper and historian of the sport.

Do I think Coach Inge would have been competitive in the Belmont saturday? Not a chance but what do I know

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Scav

I want to him race the rest of this year but would be shocked for him to ever even work again. The insurance premiums will be massive considering they will be insuring against in the shred. guessing 200k to start with 125 book max

They have to say what they are saying now but doubt Coolmore cuts that insurance check with nothing to gain, and everything to lose

My guess is a slight hip fracture, like an illum, will be the excuse.

I am skeptical as you are, but I also think Zayat is a racing fan. It will be interesting to see if he actually does keep this horse racing.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/07/the-hor...latest-legend/

[Alabama Stakes]

He promised. I assume his word is good. That means he's gonna run. Only a real icehole would retire him now. The hoss has earned the trip to the Spa. A Travers day for the ages.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

He promised. I assume his word is good. That means he's gonna run. Only a real icehole would retire him now. The hoss has earned the trip to the Spa. A Travers day for the ages.

If so, my wife and I will be there. Not only for Pharoah but it is our favorite part of Heaven on Earth.

We grew up in upstate and spent many a summer in the Adirondacks and have been to the Spa many, many times. Even from Dallas, long trip, since we've lived in this area for over 30 years it's worth it.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am skeptical as you are, but I also think Zayat is a racing fan. It will be interesting to see if he actually does keep this horse racing.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/07/the-hor...latest-legend/

Thanks for sharing . . . and awesome write.