And The Winner Of The Belmont is........

[Danzig]

belmont isn't typically a closers race.
and keen ice might get to elmont and detest the surface. some horses don't like big sandy, while some absolutely love it.

and how can we have horses not bred to get 10f, but then we have people saying there are horses bred to go long? who's right about the breeding?

and perhaps it's more a case of not training to go long? i have to think that the thing that affects these horses the most when trying the spring classics these days is that they don't train how they used to.

[munster705]

I am merely just throwing it out there. It always seems like the Belmont surprises us with some crazy results. Will the pace be slower? Of course. But the horses won't be as spread out either. Keen Ice had the #1 breeding to go long in the Derby and I would imagine it would be the same for the Belmont. I am just not going to be interesting in betting AP at 2/5

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and how can we have horses not bred to get 10f, but then we have people saying there are horses bred to go long?

That question is more all-or-nothing than Bayern (who is bred to go long).

The sire of Keen Ice has already sired one Belmont winner in a brief stud career and would have won the race himself had the race been restricted to colts and geldings. The winner of that 2007 Belmont, Rags To Riches, was sired by another Belmont winner, A.P. Indy, who was himself a son of a Belmont winner, Seattle Slew. Rags To Riches was also out of a dam which had already produced a Belmont winner (Jazil).

Perhaps you're right: horses are no longer bred to go long.

But some of them are bred to win the Belmont.

[Thunder Gulch]

I'd take Frosted right now if anyone is going to beat Pharoah. He'll be rested and ready back in NY.

[NTamm1215]

Horses like Keen Ice almost never win the Belmont. But they sure do get lots of money.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Horses like Keen Ice almost never win the Belmont. But they sure do get lots of money.

Yep. Ice Box, Denis of Cork, Dullahan, Commanding Curve, etc. The only somewhat recent horse I remember pulling off the Kentucky Derby close/Belmont win double is Jazil.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yep. Ice Box, Denis of Cork, Dullahan, Commanding Curve, etc. The only somewhat recent horse I remember pulling off the Kentucky Derby close/Belmont win double is Jazil.

Summer Bird and Birdstone (the latter the sire of the other) also were passing tired horses in the Derby prior to a Belmont win.

Union Rags as well.

[pointman]

I'm amazed that People are trying to pick the winner of the Belmont a little less than two weeks before the Preakness has been run.

[ninetoone]

Dollar Bill closed to be within 5 or 6 lengths of Point Given in the Preakness & seemed like a pretty good bet in the Belmont at 6-1.....took the bait again on that one!!!!

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yep. Ice Box, Denis of Cork, Dullahan, Commanding Curve, etc. The only somewhat recent horse I remember pulling off the Kentucky Derby close/Belmont win double is Jazil.

I know he didn't win, but didn't DoC run a legit 2nd in the Belmont?