5/2 (CD): 141st Kentucky Derby (G1); 6 Graded Stakes Undercard

Sightseek · #1 05-02-2015, 06:14 PM

Great job, Travis on calling the two big days.

Kitan · #2 05-02-2015, 06:14 PM

Agreed. Watched the majority on the CD feed rather than the TV.

Sightseek · #3 05-02-2015, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitan

Agreed. Watched the majority on the CD feed rather than the TV.

Me too. Love the picture, hate the programming.

LARHAGE · #4 05-02-2015, 06:41 PM

Materiality missed the break and got shuffled way back , he starts to pick it up on the backside and was really flying late. I don't think Pletcher runs him back in Baltimore , but he showed a lot to me to handle all he did today and could be a real Belmont contender. I don't know what happened to Upstart and Carpe Diem just spit the bit. California horses again in the Derby going 1,2,3. I thought Frosted also tried his best with an unfavorable pace set up.

Rudeboyelvis · #5 05-02-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Materiality missed the break and got shuffled way back , he starts to pick it up on the backside and was really flying late. I don't think Pletcher runs him back in Baltimore , but he showed a lot to me to handle all he did today and could be a real Belmont contender. I don't know what happened to Upstart and Carpe Diem just spit the bit. California horses again in the Derby going 1,2,3. I thought Frosted also tried his best with an unfavorable pace set up.

Agree with all of these points. I think Materiality has nothing but improvement ahead. I was shocked that Dortmund made the lead, and that the pace was as pedestrian as it was. He could not have and a better trip, relative to the amount of ground loss American Pharaoh needed to overcome, and may be a nice miler.

American Pharaoh may be even better in Baltimore. I'd love to see the Trackus as he clearly ran further than anyone else, and while maybe not as physically impressive in victory, the stats will bear out how much extra work he had to do.

Frosted closing like a shot into an non-existent pace was visually, the most impressive performance outside of AP's victory. Danzig Moon stalking and staying on was great to see. He just gets better with every race.

LITF · #6 05-02-2015, 10:08 PM

I think the top five of six of this race might end up being the best in a very long while, maybe ever. I pray they make it sound all year. God what a year it might be. I hated Materiality in this race but he was VERY impressive today and I think he might end up being the second best horse of his generation. I think the winner is something special. I hope Materiality skips the Preakness because I think he's the ONLY horse that could win in Baltimore other than the Pharoah and I just want another crown attempt. I love Firing Line and Dortmund (and played them hard today) but this was their day to dethrone the Pharoah and they couldn't do it. What a race...what a day.

freddymo · #7 05-03-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Agree with all of these points. I think Materiality has nothing but improvement ahead. I was shocked that Dortmund made the lead, and that the pace was as pedestrian as it was. He could not have and a better trip, relative to the amount of ground loss American Pharaoh needed to overcome, and may be a nice miler.

American Pharaoh may be even better in Baltimore. I'd love to see the Trackus as he clearly ran further than anyone else, and while maybe not as physically impressive in victory, the stats will bear out how much extra work he had to do.

Frosted closing like a shot into an non-existent pace was visually, the most impressive performance outside of AP's victory. Danzig Moon stalking and staying on was great to see. He just gets better with every race.

Pace was NOT slow. Frosted closed into a 26 final quarter and didnt get past Danzig Moon. I dont get the Frosted love. Dortmund was projected to be on pace by TimeForm it was hardily a surprise. TimeForm has the race faster then Beyer relatively speaking to their scales. AP traveled 29 feet more then Firing Line and I think 69 more then Dortmund.

I figure Dortmund to Haskel AP to Travers.

GenuineRisk · #8 05-03-2015, 10:49 AM

Dead last Upstart is okay, just wasn't that into it.

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/14546

Rudeboyelvis · #9 05-03-2015, 04:14 PM

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Pace was NOT slow. Frosted closed into a 26 final quarter and didnt get past Danzig Moon. I dont get the Frosted love. Dortmund was projected to be on pace by TimeForm it was hardily a surprise. TimeForm has the race faster then Beyer relatively speaking to their scales. AP traveled 29 feet more then Firing Line and I think 69 more then Dortmund.

I figure Dortmund to Haskel AP to Travers.

I didn't say the pace was slow, I said it was non-existential - RE: the expected front end meltdown that didn't materialize. Say what you will, 47.34/1.11.29 isn't lighting the world on fire - I believe Beyer got it right.

I'm guessing you didn't see how rank Frosted was getting away when taken back and had to be moved out to settle, and still came on better than than anyone else.