Derby Toss

[King Glorious]

It's easy to say Frosted but I'll take Dortmund.

[Uncle Daddy]

Materiality : not on a curse but questions on pace, foundation, never shipped out of FL, no slam dunk pedigree, slow come home in FL derby

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It's easy to say Frosted but I'll take Dortmund.

Me too. Particularly if he draws inside - slow speed that can find all kinds of trouble in a 20 horse field.

I'm also now dead set against Mubtaahij.
Don't like the fact that they felt the need to keep him on poly without a real work over the track, and if the Meydan Thorograph numbers can be trusted, there is simply just too much not to like.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

It's easy to say Frosted but I'll take Dortmund.

Why?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Why?

Because of Mr Z. He was right with Dortmund and Firing Line in that race at Los Al and it's hard for me to shake the possibility that they aren't much better than he is and watching the way American Pharoah toyed with him makes me question how good they are. It's easier for me to toss them than to believe they are that good.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Because of Mr Z. He was right with Dortmund and Firing Line in that race at Los Al and it's hard for me to shake the possibility that they aren't much better than he is and watching the way American Pharoah toyed with him makes me question how good they are. It's easier for me to toss them than to believe they are that good.

I understand this to some degree but I think that was the peak of Mr. Z. who has regressed steadily. I believe the other two have improved. I agree with Dan that Dortmond would greatly benefit from an outside post.