MA casino lean likely dooms Suffolk (Update: Deal set for 2015-16)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please cease with your libelous straw man claim that I called Gural a criminal. On a side topic? Can you name all the trainers you used for your horses?

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

Bottom line is you stated that Steve judged him which is a poor choice of words as Steve didnt judge him he simple stated his opinion of Gural's horse business practices and that Steve judges people on character and I judge them on their success (money they have made). Nothing could be further from the truth.

[ne to socal]

Epic thread drift! Back on topic...mixed feelings on the Suffolk news.

As much as I would love to see racing stay in New England (almost unbelievable that the region that has the Sox/Pats/Broons/Celts can't have a racetrack), I have a few headscratchers...

1) This is a placeholder deal for 2016, no?

2) I know the land around Suffolk is valuable, but I gotta believe a Gulfstream-like redevelopment using the existing oval would be way way more viable than building a new track.

3) Mass horsemen need a break, admittedly, but I just can't wrap my head around awarding those purse levels to watch a nickle claimer hit 6f in 1:14+.

4) I can't imagine what handle might be...might not even be an issue if it's just a placeholder deal.

Suffolk and Rock were my first tracks, and my old man has run his modest stock there over the past decade so I'd love to see Suffolk carry on. But this seems like one last odd gasp.

[richard burch]

im quite surprised about the J. gural bashing on here. a schmoe?.a criminal?..a phony?


i know that track i go to so often isn't phony and it's not a figment of my imagination. that's the same one that would have closed if he didn't save it.i shake his hand every time i see him. hes always very nice to me.

sure he wants a casino, i'm sure gov christie promised him something in some back door doughnuts and bagels meeting. does who doesn't in the tri state area?

what the hell did he do? it all sounds fishy to me. you know G. Patton was a bully too. but he got it done!

to each his own i guess.


ok so now everyone can tell me how stupid i am. go ahead who is first?

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by richard burch

im quite surprised about the J. gural bashing on here. a schmoe?.a criminal?..a phony?


i know that track i go to so often isn't phony and it's not a figment of my imagination. that's the same one that would have closed if he didn't save it.i shake his hand every time i see him. hes always very nice to me.

sure he wants a casino, i'm sure gov christie promised him something in some back door doughnuts and bagels meeting. does who doesn't in the tri state area?

what the hell did he do? it all sounds fishy to me. you know G. Patton was a bully too. but he got it done!

to each his own i guess.


ok so now everyone can tell me how stupid i am. go ahead who is first?

You are so stupid!

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by saratogadew

You are so stupid!

thanks.

i replied because he did save the big m and that's what the title of this post referred too. (saving a doomed race track)

those are some serious accusations and harsh names to be called though. i wish someone would be more specific on what he did regarding the Meadowlands because its been quite successful so far.

the fighting with Faraldo is more n.y. related and has been going on for years about drugs and Vernon downs. there are plenty of articles on the web about it. obviously they don't like each other but i see no reason to pick sides and throw Gural under the bus.

owners, trainer and drivers work at his racetracks every day so are all of them Hippocrates? don't see what it has to do with him acquiring the Meadowlands.

i don't think you will find too many people standing outside the track on weekends protesting Mr. Gural's way of doing things. they just want to go out and have some fun.

since iv'e been in contact with him myself for years i guess i'll just ask him myself..