NYRA Leaves Cash On The Table

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Benny

you're velcome, just trying to get at why there are many slow days with empty seats in the pix. just as attendance numbers are inflated by season tix holders pass that are counted in daily numbers. Admins want numbers, and no matter if the actual seats have butts in them or not , justlike your response when its pointed out monmouth attendance numbers greatly outpace belmont attendance, but the wagering totals are lots lower per person. $$$ is it, and the buzz of live people don't count ffor much anymore, just have tv camera angles that don't show it, otherwise people will not want to come out, but higher handle counts much more, means you are doing great.now how do you combine the two, ?

Wait, you don't actually believe those Monmouth attendance numbers....right?

[Benny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wait, you don't actually believe those Monmouth attendance numbers....right?

I believe them as much as much as the NYRA numbers, probably more because its my home track and i personally see it, although i will freeely admit tat they do have 1 day per month where they give you a pass for the next month with paid admission that day, so paid admits r lower due to this and season passes which few people buy.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Benny

I believe them as much as much as the NYRA numbers, probably more because its my home track and i personally see it, although i will freeely admit tat they do have 1 day per month where they give you a pass for the next month with paid admission that day, so paid admits r lower due to this and season passes which few people buy.

So you do or don't believe either numbers ( I'm just trying to get an answer )? Every response doesn't have to be a criticism of NYRA. The topic was Monmouth attendance figures.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So you do or don't believe either numbers ( I'm just trying to get an answer )? Every response doesn't have to be a criticism of NYRA. The topic was Monmouth attendance figures.

Gee and I thought the topic was the brillant idea to sell PSL for Saratoga. You know spend a few grand for the privilege of spending more money even before you get to take a shot at beating the takeout.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by jms62

Gee and I thought the topic was the brillant idea to sell PSL for Saratoga. You know spend a few grand for the privilege of spending more money even before you get to take a shot at beating the takeout.

I believe the box seats, clubhouse seats, and some grandstand seat PSL's would sell out in 1 day raising about 15-20 million. I believe that would be great for NYRA and the customers who purchased them. I would be one of them. I would still go up there on opening, Whitney, Alabama, Travers, and closing 4 day weekends. I would give my weekday tix away to family, friends, or strangers. I would love that fact of knowing I have my same seats year after year until they plant me in the ground. I will be first in line with my PSL money.

[Benny]

To get back to this topic, i find it ludicrous to even contemplate,as it would go over as a lead fart. Your personal wants are not those of the majority of track patrons. Period. IMHO.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Benny

To get back to this topic, i find it ludicrous to even contemplate,as it would go over as a lead fart. Your personal wants are not those of the majority of track patrons. Period. IMHO.

You're right. I only speak for myself. I don't pretend to speak for the majority of track patrons.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Benny

To get back to this topic, i find it ludicrous to even contemplate,as it would go over as a lead fart. Your personal wants are not those of the majority of track patrons. Period. IMHO.

"Your personal wants"

Benny, you are funny!

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by jms62

Gee and I thought the topic was the brillant idea to sell PSL for Saratoga. You know spend a few grand for the privilege of spending more money even before you get to take a shot at beating the takeout.

You would pay too. and you know it..................

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So you do or don't believe either numbers ( I'm just trying to get an answer )? Every response doesn't have to be a criticism of NYRA. The topic was Monmouth attendance figures.

I go 5/6 times a month to MP in season. Attendance figures are typically inflated. There was a ton of people for the 30 day 19.9 million dollar fantasy meet. I did love that meet but it was not sustainable. On its very best day MP can never be a "quiet" day at SPA and that is not a knock on a great track like MP.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I go 5/6 times a month to MP in season. Attendance figures are typically inflated. There was a ton of people for the 30 day 19.9 million dollar fantasy meet. I did love that meet but it was not sustainable. On its very best day MP can never be a "quiet" day at SPA and that is not a knock on a great track like MP.

I am a fan of Monmouth and Saratoga and all the tracks we retain today. I want them all to do well.

But to go find the one really lousy idea from professional sports: the PSL, and apply it to a sport that already has serious challenges and is in varying rates of decline, is not useful.

I have no intention of ever paying for a PSL in any sport. Football included. Paying for the right to buy seats? And hoping that the PSL later has value so I can sell it? No thanks. That's a sucker's game.

[Benny]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I am a fan of Monmouth and Saratoga and all the tracks we retain today. I want them all to do well.

But to go find the one really lousy idea from professional sports: the PSL, and apply it to a sport that already has serious challenges and is in varying rates of decline, is not useful.

I have no intention of ever paying for a PSL in any sport. Football included. Paying for the right to buy seats? And hoping that the PSL later has value so I can sell it? No thanks. That's a sucker's game.

I agree with you.

I didnot mean to criticize nyra, just make a point that seats there are already priced higher with result being empty midweek seats because non regulars won't pay the raised prices, the weekends they will pay. They probably cannot sqeeze the lemon any more. PSL = no go.

[ateamstupid]

PSL's for Saratoga. Great idea. Next, let's ban coolers and get rid of the horsepath through the backyard.

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by Benny

I agree with you.

I didnot mean to criticize nyra, just make a point that seats there are already priced higher with result being empty midweek seats because non regulars won't pay the raised prices, the weekends they will pay. They probably cannot sqeeze the lemon any more. PSL = no go.

Benny, you would pay too. and you know it!

[saratogadew]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I am a fan of Monmouth and Saratoga and all the tracks we retain today. I want them all to do well.

But to go find the one really lousy idea from professional sports: the PSL, and apply it to a sport that already has serious challenges and is in varying rates of decline, is not useful.

I have no intention of ever paying for a PSL in any sport. Football included. Paying for the right to buy seats? And hoping that the PSL later has value so I can sell it? No thanks. That's a sucker's game.

you love Saratoga and would pay! Just admit it.

[richard burch]

I don't think Saratoga needs anything. it's one of a kind. don't touch it!

[dalakhani]

For the fan, I think PSL are not good. But if you could figure out a decent price for a few thousand of the best seats at the premier meet in the US, why wouldn't they sell and generate several million in revenue? NYRA is a business last I checked.

You don't need to sell off the whole track but why wouldn't it make sense to at least do the choice seats and why wouldn't they sell if priced properly?