New Congressman Thinks Quran Thumps Constitution

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

The only thing in that entire quote that has anything to do with the Christian right is the last line, and so I will address that.

It has nothing to do with how they think -- it is how I view the priorities of the Christian right and their politics.

Note that this whole uproar is really only coming from the far Christian right. There aren't a whole lot of liberals complaining that this man wants to take his ceremonial oath on the Quran, because there is no harm in it unless it's a religious objection. With that said, I liken it to gay marriage. I view their priorities, as projected in the press releases they put out, the columns they write, and the legislation they champion - as skewed.

Be against gay marriage, totally their prerogative. But don't focus all of the group's political clout on that issue when kids are starving and uninsured. Go ahead and be wildly afraid that ONE Muslim congressman is going to somehow overthrow the Constitution and waste resources attacking him when poverty runs rampant in the very same peoples' backyards.

That to me, is the classic case of the Christian right chasing stupid issues that don't REALLY affect anyone, or anyone's way of life -- when the proverbial "bigger fish to fry" are sitting there totally untouched because the group's political energy and clout is being squandered worrying about the little fish, aka gay marriage and now this ridiculous little flap over the Quran.


Now, if you still believe I am attempting to speak for the Christian right, please let me know where and I can clarify further because it's the furthest from what I am trying to do. I hope this cleared that up.

Brian: please note that the article link is from WorldNewsDaily...hardly a Christian right wing site! So...what we have is you speaking about the Christian right reacting to Ellison and the Quoran...which is not what happened! So...once again your bias shows through. You can be what ever you want to Brian...gay,liberal,muslim,Rastafarian...please..j ust know what you talking about when you pretend to know what somebody is about!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Brian: please note that the article link is from WorldNewsDaily...hardly a Christian right wing site! So...what we have is you speaking about the Christian right reacting to Ellison and the Quoran...which is not what happened! So...once again your bias shows through. You can be what ever you want to Brian...gay,liberal,muslim,Rastafarian...please..j ust know what you talking about when you pretend to know what somebody is about!

Hummm....I realize that the writer here is throwing out broad examples but that's an interesting group..."gay, liberal, Muslim, Rastafarian"....the last two are religions and their members are rather homogeneous in beliefs, especially related to "religious topics" but gays and liberals...well, not so much, especially gays who tend to cover the entire spectrum of philosophic and religious thought....so, why include them in such a listing?? Another "interesting" aspect here is the lead in..."you can be whatever you want to...". Gosh, it sure sounds like you are saying that a person is gay because they want to be or it's a matter of choice on their part....interesting!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Hummm....I realize that the writer here is throwing out broad examples but that's an interesting group..."gay, liberal, Muslim, Rastafarian"....the last two are religions and their members are rather homogeneous in beliefs, especially related to "religious topics" but gays and liberals...well, not so much, especially gays who tend to cover the entire spectrum of philosophic and religious thought....so, why include them in such a listing?? Another "interesting" aspect here is the lead in..."you can be whatever you want to...". Gosh, it sure sounds like you are saying that a person is gay because they want to be or it's a matter of choice on their part....interesting!

Somer: I think you're projecting...Brian said he was gay and liberal,I'm not zoning in on that. This is America..you can be what you want to be. Doesn't a person choose their lifestyle? Explain.please...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Somer: I think you're projecting...Brian said he was gay and liberal,I'm not zoning in on that. This is America..you can be what you want to be. Doesn't a person choose their lifestyle? Explain.please...

So...you are clearly stating here that you believe a person chooses to be gay! Is that correct?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So...you are clearly stating here that you believe a person chooses to be gay! Is that correct?

At the other end..you're saying gays are born that way?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

At the other end..you're saying gays are born that way?

So...you accuse people of generalizing your beliefs yet when asked a direct question, you answer with a question! I won't dodge your's...yes, I believe that folk's sexual identity is NOT a matter of choice! Whether a newborn is sexually imprinted or whether there are predispositions which may be triggered by environment I do not know...genetic research will eventually definitively answer that question, but I don't recall deciding I would be a heterosexual...do you?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So...you accuse people of generalizing your beliefs yet when asked a direct question, you answer with a question! I won't dodge your's...yes, I believe that folk's sexual identity is NOT a matter of choice! Whether a newborn is sexually imprinted or whether there are predispositions which may be triggered by environment I do not know...genetic research will eventually definitively answer that question, but I don't recall deciding I would be a heterosexual...do you?

Somer: you're kinda cranky today,buddy! I'm not dodgeing,,just parrying. I do believe gays are made, not born. There have been various studies and the like..none that I can readily bring to mind. I never thought about being anything other hetero, altho there were apparent influences attempting to sway my judgement several times in my life. I'm not ready to fight to the death on this one ...so we'll just disagree. Best to you Timm PS..when did anyone say anything about my beliefs?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

At the other end..you're saying gays are born that way?

i think so.
i was born straight. it's not like i made a conscience decision to like men. i just do. a LOT. lol