NYRA to no longer accept entries from horses who ran <14 days ago

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

3 and 4 are pointless.

There is no difference between the two levels, its silly to even suggest that any horse running for maiden 12500 wont be entered for 16000.

Not allowing horses to run back on less than 14 days should be up to the discretion of the racing secretary, not some steadfast rule.

I understand that they need to "do something" but those changes are not helpful in anyway except in the most egregious cases which should be dealt with through the new maintaining of a non-competitive list. I have always maintained that ridiculous entries should be refused by the racing sec.

They still have to yet to work up the courage to tackle other issues that are causing NYRA cards to be far weaker than they might otherwise be. Hopefully they will get a period of safe racing, just hope they dont chalk it up to these changes and not consider other grander changes.

This is really comical as if those being entered for $12,500 will not be entered for $16,000. When you really think about it now they will be running for even more purse money arguably placing the lower level horses against slightly harder competition which makes them even more hopeless and theoretically subject to increased chance of breakdowns.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

This is really comical as if those being entered for $12,500 will not be entered for $16,000. When you really think about it now they will be running for even more purse money arguably placing the lower level horses against slightly harder competition which makes them even more hopeless and theoretically subject to increased chance of breakdowns.

Its just "doing something". It wont help or hurt

[Danzig]

Not being able to enter within 14 days is absurd.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Not being able to enter within 14 days is absurd.

Restriction on short run backs isn't so much to guard on that immediate next start, but the possibility of 3-4 starts, etc., in too intense a burst.

[dellinger63]

PR and that's it.

Like Martin Brody yelling shark only in NYRA's waters nothing is there.

Squeaky wheel always gets the grease!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Restriction on short run backs isn't so much to guard on that immediate next start, but the possibility of 3-4 starts, etc., in too intense a burst.

Will they have exceptions to the rule? For instance, if a horse du.ps his jock at the break of a race and doesnt run..be cant enter for two weeks?
i get why they made the rule, but we have all seen horses run back fine immediately after. The frankel mare who won 2 stakes a week apart comes to mind.
trainers are supposed to be pros...if you have a trainer not being professional, and being too hard on his horses, i would expect him to be ruled off, rather than a rule like this.

[Kitan]

Effective Jan 22, David Jacobson will be relocating his stock.

[Round Pen]

Hmmm the 14 day rule would have put Oscar out of business in his day, heck he would win 4 races in 14 days with same horse.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Effective Jan 22, David Jacobson will be relocating his stock.

DING!DING!DING!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Where they will wind up with issues with the poor performance rule is when turf races get rained off (obviously not an issue now) and some blowout winner spread eagles the field against a bunch of turf horses running on the dirt. It isnt a huge issue but it can be a disincentive to stay in.

I rarely am a proponent of fewer races however in the case of NY winter racing I think that there is a point that might be valid that few have publicly stated. That is that because turf racing is so much more important that it was in years past and a far greater % of races are written on the grass in the spring-fall it makes sense that the pool of horses in NY to compete successfully on the dirt in the winter is smaller. Trainers likely have a greater % of turf only or preferred horses in their barns as compared to years past. Most regular trainers arent able to fill those stalls of the turf only horses in the winter with horses of equal ability so they take lessor/cheaper horses or just cut back. With Parx purses still pretty strong and Maryland racing on the upswing there arent that many out of town horses to attract either.

Great point on the off the turf races. I can also envision jocks who would otherwise wrap a hopelessly beaten horse up to come back and play another day now pushing the horse to try to make sure they are beaten by less than 25 lengths to avoid getting on the dreaded list.

As far as setting the rule of 8 races per day during the week, I agree that there are certain races that they should not be carding at Aqueduct and considering the variables you have stated there should be less racing. What I don't get is setting an arbitrary number of the amount of races run as opposed to instructing the racing secretary to stop carding some of the lower end races altogether in their discretion and having some cards with less races.

I am just having a hard time finding how these changes actually helps reduce overall breakdowns, the correlations appear to be lacking to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

Great point on the off the turf races. I can also envision jocks who would otherwise wrap a hopelessly beaten horse up to come back and play another day now pushing the horse to try to make sure they are beaten by less than 25 lengths to avoid getting on the dreaded list.

As far as setting the rule of 8 races per day during the week, I agree that there are certain races that they should not be carding at Aqueduct and considering the variables you have stated there should be less racing. What I don't get is setting an arbitrary number of the amount of races run as opposed to instructing the racing secretary to stop carding some of the lower end races altogether in their discretion and having some cards with less races.

I am just having a hard time finding how these changes actually helps reduce overall breakdowns, the correlations appear to be lacking to me.

I had a turf horse a long time ago at Tampa that was entered in an allowance race on the grass. He was all turf but when the races came off the turf in tampa not many scratched and they all got "super dates" meaning that you had little chance to get back in if you didnt run. So Zito had a really nice horse (cant remember name) in MTO and when the race came off he was 1-9!. Well his horse wins by something like 18-19. My horse runs 4th beaten 25 1/2. We beat more than 1/2 the field.
A day later the security guards drop off a envelope saying my horse was on the vets list. So I call the state vet and ask why I was on vets list, my horse came back fine. They said you got beat more than 25. I said that makes my horse unsound? They said house rule and had to breeze 1/2 faster than 52 to get off. Well there are no turf works there and I wasnt sure that the horse could actually break 52 on the dirt in the morning.
I wound up just passing on the rest of the meet and waiting for KY.