Cold/Wind KO's Aqueduct again Wednesday

[Big Peps]

I just don't see why every breakdown seems to go back to the trainer and said owner for using that trainer. Some horses can come out of races and be ready to run quicker than others, just seems crazy that if a claimed horse breaks down, it's always the trainer's fault for running back to quickly or they should have known and then the owner's fault for employing said trainer. It's a bit much and really a shotgun approach.

It happens and is extremely unfortunate.

[Arletta]

Aqueduct to proceed with caution.


http://sdhorserace.com/2015/01/13/aq...of-breakdowns/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Big Peps

I just don't see why every breakdown seems to go back to the trainer and said owner for using that trainer. Some horses can come out of races and be ready to run quicker than others, just seems crazy that if a claimed horse breaks down, it's always the trainer's fault for running back to quickly or they should have known and then the owner's fault for employing said trainer. It's a bit much and really a shotgun approach.

It happens and is extremely unfortunate.

i don't think anyone thinks it's always the trainers fault. however, we all know there are times that trainers enter a horse for a tag, hoping to get rid of said horse. they hope for the best, that it makes it thru the race and someone takes it off their hands so they can get rid of the issue.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think anyone thinks it's always the trainers fault. however, we all know there are times that trainers enter a horse for a tag, hoping to get rid of said horse. they hope for the best, that it makes it thru the race and someone takes it off their hands so they can get rid of the issue.

And sometimes it's too obvious. A turf race where the horse uncharacteristically fades, One work at Palm Beach Downs (obviously pointed to something @ GP), a ship up to Ocala for a rehab stint off that work (presumably), followed by a drop to the lowest level at Tampa - all in the space of 60 days:

A horse routinely handling conditioned 40K runners in NY 60 days ago, dropping to 8N3L. At Tampa.






Like you said, hope for the best

[ateamstupid]

I'll never forget, there was a Paul Pompa horse named Basilone, who was bought for six figures. He entered him for $12,500 in his debut at GP, caught an unusually strong field and ran 2nd with a BSF in the high 70's, then was shipped to Tampa to run for $8,000 in his next start.

The horse broke down and it was just as predictable as it was appalling.

IMO when it's that obvious an owner/trainer is trying to get rid of a horse, someone at the track should intervene and subject the horse to much more than just the regular pre-race look from the vet. Basilone didn't deserve to die just because Pompa made a lousy investment.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'll never forget, there was a Paul Pompa horse named Basilone, who was bought for six figures. He entered him for $12,500 in his debut at GP, caught an unusually strong field and ran 2nd with a BSF in the high 70's, then was shipped to Tampa to run for $8,000 in his next start.

The horse broke down and it was just as predictable as it was appalling.

IMO when it's that obvious an owner/trainer is trying to get rid of a horse, someone at the track should intervene and subject the horse to much more than just the regular pre-race look from the vet. Basilone didn't deserve to die just because Pompa made a lousy investment.

burna dette is the one i will always remember.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Apologies as my post was not to derail the topic, but rather make the point.

TBD will answer for the breakdowns on their track. It appears to me that I've seen more at this point in the season than I've seen in the past.

And that is meaningless - its part of the game. Sometimes they go through the meet with minimal instances; other times it's more noticeable.

But it isn't the track, or the people, or the horses, or any *one* thing. Sometimes they take a bad step - it's that simple.


It should be though, the responsibility of the track to pull out a fine-toothed comb when a red flag shows up in their entry box.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And sometimes it's too obvious. A turf race where the horse uncharacteristically fades, One work at Palm Beach Downs (obviously pointed to something @ GP), a ship up to Ocala for a rehab stint off that work (presumably), followed by a drop to the lowest level at Tampa - all in the space of 60 days:

A horse routinely handling conditioned 40K runners in NY 60 days ago, dropping to 8N3L. At Tampa.



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Like you said, hope for the best

Ran a well beaten 6th, and was claimed.

[Big Peps]

Originally Posted by Big Peps

I just don't see why every breakdown seems to go back to the trainer and said owner for using that trainer. Some horses can come out of races and be ready to run quicker than others, just seems crazy that if a claimed horse breaks down, it's always the trainer's fault for running back to quickly or they should have known and then the owner's fault for employing said trainer. It's a bit much and really a shotgun approach.

It happens and is extremely unfortunate.

Can't disagree with you there but significant drops can also just be a shot by owner/ trainer to win a race and to also mitigate losses. There is a place for that in the game as well. It will happen, but I agree that when it does happen those that claim said horses are always a bit leary.

Can also happen at the smaller tracks like a Finger Lakes when running a decent turf horse on dirt which isn't said horses preferred surface towards the end of the meet, say November December time frame. Your left with a decision on what to do with that turf horse, ship down South for the winter, lay up for the winter, or drop on the dirt and try to win a race, earn the money and then lay up until spring and pay for lay up with the purse earnings. You play to win the game within reason