Norman gets six-month suspension

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

No, not at all. I have no problem with trainers taking a salary. Most trainers could not survive without taking a salary.

All I was saying was that many people that aren't in the indusrty and even a few in the industry, don't realize that trainers take a salary. People hear trainers say that they don't make anything on the day money, and some people take that to mean that the only money that trainers make is from purses. These people don't realize that the trainer gets a salary.

Would a trainers salary not be considered a legitimate expense?

[Cannon Shell]

Being that we are dealing with hypotheticals here try this: Trainers expenses exceed training income regardless of trainers salary. Racing income (10%) puts stable back in black. Does trainer make money on the day rate?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Would a trainers salary not be considered a legitimate expense?

Nah,
You should be training them out of the goodness of our heart in exchange for a lotta grief and aggravation and an occasional free meal at Sergios.
What the hell is the matter with you!!!??? Don't you know that?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Would a trainers salary not be considered a legitimate expense?

Yes, it's a legitmate expense. I already said that.

I don't understand why trainers are so sensitive about this subject. They are always crying poverty, yet they have nice houses and drive nice cars.

If a trainer(in Southern California) has 40 horses and he is taking a salary of $130,000 a year, I'm not going to feel sorry for him if he's losing $10,000 a year on day money after all the salaries are paid including his own. That means he's still making $120,000 a year and that does not include what he makes on purses.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, it's a legitmate expense. I already said that.

I don't understand why trainers are so sensitive about this subject. They are always crying poverty, yet they have nice houses and drive nice cars.

If a trainer(in Southern California) has 40 horses and he is taking a salary of $130,000 a year, I'm not going to feel sorry for him if he's losing $10,000 a year on day money after all the salaries are paid including his own. That means he's still making $120,000 a year and that does not include what he makes on purses.

No, they all don't.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

No, they all don't.

I'm not saying they all do. It's like any other business. Not everyone survives. Some trainers go out of business. If you have a trainer in Southern California that only has 8 horses and he rarely wins races, this guy will be barely be squeeking by if he's lucky. A guy like this probably won't last very long unless he can somehow live on $30,000-$35,000 a year.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not saying they all do. It's like any other business. Not everyone survives. Some trainers go out of business. If you have a trainer in Southern California that only has 8 horses and he rarely wins races, this guy will be barely be squeeking by if he's lucky. A guy like this probably won't last very long unless he can somehow live on $30,000-$35,000 a year.

Sigh,
Richi if you reread my post that started this, which you responded to, you'd see thats exactly WHAT I WAS SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, it's a legitmate expense. I already said that.

I don't understand why trainers are so sensitive about this subject. They are always crying poverty, yet they have nice houses and drive nice cars.

If a trainer(in Southern California) has 40 horses and he is taking a salary of $130,000 a year, I'm not going to feel sorry for him if he's losing $10,000 a year on day money after all the salaries are paid including his own. That means he's still making $120,000 a year and that does not include what he makes on purses.

First of all how many trainers in S. Cal have 40 horses? 15? That leaves the majority under that #. 2nd why do you think trainers are making enough money to pay themselves $130000? We are not asking for sympathy but would like owners to pay their bills on time and quit acting like we are raking in all this money. It simply is not so. I train between 30-45 horses and charge a competitive day rate and understand the finances very clearly. You are living on a razor thin margin that can change in a heart beat if a big owner fires you or doesn't pay his bill. We have to put up all the money in front so that the show continues to go on. Then we have to chase the money that is owed to us to try to catch up to the money that is paid out. Then there are all the little things that you fail to account for. Like if 2 or 3 horses get claimed or hurt, do you drop your employees salaries because you lost income? No you bite the bullet and make up the difference. If your feed supplier raises his rates do you not pay him? What about when your workmans comp goes up? Who pays for that?
You are implying that trainers who drive nice cars and live in nice houses are all making big bucks and crying poverty. That is complete BS. That attitude is why so many owners are so bad when it comes to paying bills. They see it as a luxury for a trainer as opposed to what it really is.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

First of all how many trainers in S. Cal have 40 horses? 15? That leaves the majority under that #. 2nd why do you think trainers are making enough money to pay themselves $130000? We are not asking for sympathy but would like owners to pay their bills on time and quit acting like we are raking in all this money. It simply is not so. I train between 30-45 horses and charge a competitive day rate and understand the finances very clearly. You are living on a razor thin margin that can change in a heart beat if a big owner fires you or doesn't pay his bill. We have to put up all the money in front so that the show continues to go on. Then we have to chase the money that is owed to us to try to catch up to the money that is paid out. Then there are all the little things that you fail to account for. Like if 2 or 3 horses get claimed or hurt, do you drop your employees salaries because you lost income? No you bite the bullet and make up the difference. If your feed supplier raises his rates do you not pay him? What about when your workmans comp goes up? Who pays for that?
You are implying that trainers who drive nice cars and live in nice houses are all making big bucks and crying poverty. That is complete BS. That attitude is why so many owners are so bad when it comes to paying bills. They see it as a luxury for a trainer as opposed to what it really is.

I was not implying that trainers are getting rich just because they live in a nice house and drive a nice car. I am simply saying that they are making a decent living. They're not getting rich. It's hard to get rich out here. It is very expensive living in Southern California.

With regard to your question about how many trainers in Southern California have over 40 horses, I think there are a lot. I would say that there are at least 25-30 trainers that have 40 horses or more. And there are probably only about 80-100 trainers here altogether I would guess.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i saw this one trainer walkin around with a huge piece of bling platinum chain in the shape of a slice of pie..it must have cost 150k....not...trainers should get all they can its no picknick dealing with a bunch of workers and the aniimals themselves..then add the owners in the mix ,,,oh man excedrin city..my hats off to anyone that can do it.....

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i saw this one trainer walkin around with a huge piece of bling platinum chain in the shape of a slice of pie..it must have cost 150k....not...trainers should get all they can its no picknick dealing with a bunch of workers and the aniimals themselves..then add the owners in the mix ,,,oh man excedrin city..my hats off to anyone that can do it.....

You can say that again.
Man i feel sorry for some of em i know.
Up every ****ing day at 4:30. No days off, none.
Deal with problems with horses and employees, owners, etc.
To represent what a luxurious like they live is nuts.
Then you get owners who stiff em out on bills(that never happens right Canon Shell?) who keep right on claiming horses each day that cost more than what they owe the trainer whos gotta fill out the claim slip!!!!!!!
Amazing more of em aren't completely insane.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

First of all how many trainers in S. Cal have 40 horses? 15? That leaves the majority under that #. 2nd why do you think trainers are making enough money to pay themselves $130000? We are not asking for sympathy but would like owners to pay their bills on time and quit acting like we are raking in all this money. It simply is not so. I train between 30-45 horses and charge a competitive day rate and understand the finances very clearly. You are living on a razor thin margin that can change in a heart beat if a big owner fires you or doesn't pay his bill. We have to put up all the money in front so that the show continues to go on. Then we have to chase the money that is owed to us to try to catch up to the money that is paid out. Then there are all the little things that you fail to account for. Like if 2 or 3 horses get claimed or hurt, do you drop your employees salaries because you lost income? No you bite the bullet and make up the difference. If your feed supplier raises his rates do you not pay him? What about when your workmans comp goes up? Who pays for that?
You are implying that trainers who drive nice cars and live in nice houses are all making big bucks and crying poverty. That is complete BS. That attitude is why so many owners are so bad when it comes to paying bills. They see it as a luxury for a trainer as opposed to what it really is.

Excellent post.

Eric