11/29 (AQU): Cigar Mile (G1), Remsen, Demoiselle (G2's), Comely (G3)

[FATPIANO]

love this race, always a great betting race, caught last years exacta...Flat out/Private Zone, paid over 500.00

[Indian Charlie]

Was hoping SB would be entered to try to solidify a claim for champion 3yo.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Was hoping SB would be entered to try to solidify a claim for champion 3yo.

He has no claim on Champion 3YO. He had the 4th best year of any 3YO. Tonalist bests him with wins in the Belmont Stakes and Jockey Club.

He might run in the Malibu. That would give him a reasonable argument with Tonalist....and none whatsoever with either CA Chrome or Bayern.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He has no claim on Champion 3YO. He had the 4th best year of any 3YO. Tonalist bests him with wins in the Belmont Stakes and Jockey Club.

He might run in the Malibu. That would give him a reasonable argument with Tonalist....and none whatsoever with either CA Chrome or Bayern.

The platitudes and hyperbole not withstanding - are you actually making the case that Tonalist's chances are on par with Bayern or Cal Chrome?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The platitudes and hyperbole not withstanding - are you actually making the case that Tonalist's chances are on par with Bayern or Cal Chrome?

Not at all...just that he is ahead of Shared Belief. The other two are ahead of the field by a significant amount.

To me, Bayern is the most satisfying Horse of the Year in more than a few years. I get why Wise Dan got it, I just think we would have been better served with no winner the past two years, same with Havre de Grace, I obviously didn't agree with Zenyatta, but as much as I think Blame "deserved" it, he was hardly a spectacular winner. I guess Rachel was the last truly deserving winner.

Bayern ran the entire year, at eight different track, and racked up an impressive array of victories, including in my opinion the performance of the year in the Woody Stephens. I love horses like him. All sorts of distances, at all the big tracks, and he rebounded from resounding losses on two big occasions. Maybe if we reward horses like him, people will stop worrying about losing, and run their horses.

[dylbert]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not at all...just that he is ahead of Shared Belief. The other two are ahead of the field by a significant amount.

To me, Bayern is the most satisfying Horse of the Year in more than a few years. I get why Wise Dan got it, I just think we would have been better served with no winner the past two years, same with Havre de Grace, I obviously didn't agree with Zenyatta, but as much as I think Blame "deserved" it, he was hardly a spectacular winner. I guess Rachel was the last truly deserving winner.

Bayern ran the entire year, at eight different track, and racked up an impressive array of victories, including in my opinion the performance of the year in the Woody Stephens. I love horses like him. All sorts of distances, at all the big tracks, and he rebounded from resounding losses on two big occasions. Maybe if we reward horses like him, people will stop worrying about losing, and run their horses.

Well said! Tomorrow, I'm headed to Vinton for Delta Downs Jackpot card. Several 'campaigners' entered here. 2YOs with 6 starts! Horses from Cali, Florida, NY, Kentucky & beyond. Always fun days at races.

Like Andy said people are here 'to run their horses'. And I don't care if it rains!

[TouchOfGrey]

Tweet from @DRFWelsch -

Atreides out of Cigar Mile, trainer Marty Wolfson said he could not line up a top level rider for the race. Says Hal's Hope next major goal.