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Old 03-23-2009, 03:39 PM
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Default Drape (NYT) on Mafaaz and Medication

Here's another from the NYT.

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Old 03-23-2009, 03:47 PM
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I have a better shot of becoming editor of the New York Times than Mafaaz does of winning the Derby.
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Old 03-23-2009, 03:55 PM
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If the breeding in this country is so terrible, I guess someone forgot to tell the Sheiks who keep buying up our best prospects at top dollar
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:25 PM
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Big Brown receive Winstrol on a monthly basis and his schedule was not changed during the TC? I would hate to think that was twisted to mislead readers.

I would also hate to think that when Mafaaz gets drowned over here this is somehow attributed to him being drug-free, theoretically as opposed to his opposition, instead of the real reason......his complete lack of talent relative to his competition.
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:44 PM
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I read through it, paragraph by paragraph, and my impression was, "truth - assumption - not true - no support for what is stated as fact - halftruth - truth - wild-assed guess presented as truth", etc.

And, unfortunately, if all drugs were banned tomorrow, certain observations would still be attributed by many to "drugs we can't detect".
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:47 PM
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When Dutrow abandoned Big Brown’s steroid treatment before the Belmont Stakes we couldn't draw any conclusions, because his shoe was stepped on out of the gate, and his jockey Kent Desormeaux had to ease the colt on the final turn.
at least they were perfectly honest
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:59 PM
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Can't wait to see L1 next to Mafaaz when he runs here for the Blue Grass or Derby.
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Old 03-23-2009, 05:18 PM
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Raven's Pass raced on both bute and lasix when he won the BC Classic for Gosden.

You can be against drugs all you want - but you'd have to be an idiot to give away an edge to the rest of the field.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:29 PM
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"There is plenty of scientific and anecdotal evidence suggesting that breeding for the marketplace rather than the racetrack and relying too heavily on medications have put thoroughbreds at risk. Still, no consistent rules for breeding or medications have been put in place across the nation."

Where exactly is this evidence? This is another example of an opinion piece sold as news or factual material.

Mafaaz may run "drug free" but since he has run a grand total of three times he is hardly the model horse to use.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:29 PM
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at least they were perfectly honest
Who says they were honest?
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:52 PM
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I would also hate to think that when Mafaaz gets drowned over here this is somehow attributed to him being drug-free, theoretically as opposed to his opposition, instead of the real reason......his complete lack of talent relative to his competition.
He dropped the Winstrol during the TC, either post Derby or Preakness.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:54 PM
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Who says they were honest?
sorry, I did some fixing-up to their quote and didn't credit it.

The actual quote from the article was an unfair/uninformed comparison of Brown's Belmont, to baseball players who declined when the steroid scandal hit baseball.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:56 PM
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He dropped the Winstrol during the TC, either post Derby or Preakness.
Not exactly
He said they were stopping after the Preakness.

Dont believe everything you read or RD says.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:08 PM
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I believe you have it wrong - I think he said they were stopped before the Preakness .. meaning he didn't get his May 15th injection.

However, I'm told I accidently said Theregoesjojo was sired by Bernstein today on the radio ... what are the odds of us two blowhards both being wrong about something on the same day? 5K-to-1?
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:15 PM
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I believe you have it wrong - I think he said they were stopped before the Preakness .. meaning he didn't get his May 15th injection.

However, I'm told I accidently said Theregoesjojo was sired by Bernstein today on the radio ... what are the odds of us two blowhards both being wrong about something on the same day? 5K-to-1?
You just better be glad Byk didnt have Jon White on another line.
He would have tightened your ass up real quick.
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:42 AM
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Not exactly
He said they were stopping after the Preakness.

Dont believe everything you read or RD says.
If his lips are moving, he's probably lying. When I saw him in NY he sure looked far less than the robust beast of the FLA Derby. Of course, I'm sure the Derby/Preakness schedule took some toll but, yikes!
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:29 AM
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imo it's a good article with many valid observations . Horse racing, in general , with it's lack of regulation from the top down, is too similar to Wall Street and AIG . This comment is in general terms about the lack of a regulatory structure .

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Old 03-24-2009, 11:37 AM
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his credibilty goes out the door with his opening sentence. and could someone explain why barbaro is mentioned in paragraph two? what, the new theory is he took a bad step because of drugs? eight belles was tested post race, and nothing untoward showed up-she stumbled when changing leads in the gallop out-pine island suffered the same fate in the same way. does giving lasix affect how a horse changes leads?
and does mr. drape know that most euros grab a vet immediately after landing to get the same drugs we use here?
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