Maimonides will win the Derby

[ateamstupid]

Just kidding. But that WAS a very electric debut.

[jpops757]

Did we see the big reason why the move to the Spa?Opened with a 22 and then ran off. Pretty impressive the 9 ran a nice 2nd in first and nosed out for a distant 3rd. Looks like a big threat with a BIG purchase price.

[10 pnt move up]

all the best two year olds are on the east coast!

west coast sucks

He'll win the 2008 BCC

[Indian Charlie]

Runners from his first crop, 2yos of 2012, will win both bc juvie races (more if the bc continues its expansion) and a different runner of his will win each of the triple crown races.

[skippy3481]

Really shouldn't we retire him, has he not done enough?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Really shouldn't we retire him, has he not done enough?

LOL!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Really shouldn't we retire him, has he not done enough?

well, it's entirely obvious he will be retired prematurely, but i expect him to at least make it onto the derby trail early next year, which would probably means he first is bred in 2009.

[skippy3481]

But why not just retire him now, i mean, lets just keep extrapolating data from his first start. It's quite obvious he will win the triple crown, BCC and remain undefeated as long as he runs. Lets just save the horse from having to exert himself and put him in the shed now. Saves time don't ya think

[boswd]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

all the best two year olds are on the east coast!

west coast sucks

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

But why not just retire him now, i mean, lets just keep extrapolating data from his first start. It's quite obvious he will win the triple crown, BCC and remain undefeated as long as he runs. Lets just save the horse from having to exert himself and put him in the shed now. Saves time don't ya think

you have valid points!

still, i prefer that people's hopes get stirred up and then let down.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by boswd

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

it is what it is, train at del mar, race at saratoga

this horse was coming before the move happened.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Like his fragile sire, he'll never see the Triple Crown trail.

Vindicaton was made of glass

El Correador had foot problems

Roman Ruler had foot problems

The chances this guy has any soundness is iffy at best.

[skippy3481]

I understand let them lock in those futures on him winning the derby after he sets track records at 4 diffrent tracks and distances and he comes up lame 2 weeks before the big day. I like how you think.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

I understand let them lock in those futures on him winning the derby after he sets track records at 4 diffrent tracks and distances and he comes up lame 2 weeks before the big day. I like how you think.

thanks!

but, how about doing it ap indy style, where you wake up to riots in LA (i lived there at the time) and find out that ap indy was scratched the morning of the derby because of his foot problem.

that was a HUGE letdown man. i'd like to see that happen again, with the younger generation.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You mean, those riots were caused by AP Indy's scratching that morning?

duh

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by boswd

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest east coast supporter but this was part of the whole Zayat/Baffert Del Mar exodus. If Del Mar never switched to Poly he would have raced at Del Mar

My bet is they when they ship him back to run in SOCAL he will get beat by a cheap claiming horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Vindicaton was made of glass

El Correador had foot problems

Roman Ruler had foot problems

The chances this guy has any soundness is iffy at best.

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

I think if he is to run in the BC we'll know soon enough by where he runs next. He's trained on both surfaces. Poly would be easier on his feet if he does have problems. He could have an entire Derby prep run on poly, then do as today and make the BIG run on dirt. He could have come east because the west coast dirt tracks are much harder. The east coast dirt tracks are softer, and we all know how soft CD is.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

i remember reading a quote from a well known old trainer about 20 years ago (when i read the quote) that went something like:

"If they are running fast enough to win, they are running fast enough to get hurt"

That quote was already decades old when I read that.