6/5 (BEL): Hill Prince (Gr. III); Brooklyn (Gr. II); + 2 Listed S. - Page 2

VOL JACK · #21 06-02-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm surprised to see a horse like Affirmatif running in the Hill Prince when he'd likely be favored in a G2, and for a lot more money, in two weeks.

I thought Pletcher would throw him in the deep end after his smashing debut at GP. I saw at Kee why he has decided to handle this one with kid gloves and bring him along slowly. After my best mush job of all time calling him the best 3yo colt in the land, he cost me a 2k DD and p4 hit. He is a very immature (head case) 3yo. Probaly would benefit greatly from being gelded but, has too much Pedigree and talent to be cut. His Dam side is very strong.

Bottom line: I think he is the most talented horse in the field....But a big bet against at short odds.
His last race wasnt all that impressive while beating absolutely nothing.
The only horse to beat Aff so far is Golden Mexico, who was sent off as the Fav in a Stakie at Arl against Giant Oak. After setting slow fractions on a lonely lead he folded like a soup sandwich in the lane.

the_fat_man · #22 06-02-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I thought Pletcher would throw him in the deep end after his smashing debut at GP. I saw at Kee why he has decided to handle this one with kid gloves and bring him along slowly. After my best mush job of all time calling him the best 3yo colt in the land, he cost me a 2k DD and p4 hit. He is a very immature (head case) 3yo. Probaly would benefit greatly from being gelded but, has too much Pedigree and talent to be cut. His Dam side is very strong.

Bottom line: I think he is the most talented horse in the field....But a big bet against at short odds.
His last race wasnt all that impressive while beating absolutely nothing.
The only horse to beat Aff so far is Golden Mexico, who was sent off as the Fav in a Stakie at Arl against Giant Oak. After setting slow fractions on a lonely lead he folded like a soup sandwich in the lane.

I'm not sure how good this horse is; and he might not be much.

But, I believe, that basing an opinion on the KEE race is the wrong way to go.
He got all the worst of it in terms of setup and ground covered (running 39ft or 4.5 lengths more than than the winner) in that race and certainly ran better than Golden Mexico. The only lesson coming out of that one was that GW was a tossin the AP race.

blackthroatedwind · #23 06-02-2009, 01:33 PM

I'm not a fan of Affirmatif either.

Sightseek · #24 06-02-2009, 01:37 PM

I'm not saying that I like the horse, but a better and more lucrative spot for him would be the Colonial Turf Cup where the other nominees are not too much better or worse.

Clip-Clop · #25 06-02-2009, 02:54 PM

I like Rendezvous to run well in that race.

ateamstupid · #26 06-02-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm not saying that I like the horse, but a better and more lucrative spot for him would be the Colonial Turf Cup where the other nominees are not too much better or worse.

They did the same thing in his last start. Passing on a $100k G3 to run in a $50k listed stake two weeks later. They're not being very ambitious with their spotting.

That being said, the Hill Prince looks like a great race.

blackthroatedwind · #27 06-02-2009, 04:17 PM

Pletcher is very smart, and has a very good idea how good his horses are, and probably how far they want to run, so there is probably a reason he is running Affimatif shorter ( than Colonial ) and in perhaps less ambitious spots. Though, Friday's race is not an easy race.

the_fat_man · #28 06-02-2009, 05:07 PM

An interesting horse, and I never thought I'd be plugging this plug, is Lime Rickey.

blackthroatedwind · #29 06-02-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

An interesting horse, and I never thought I'd be plugging this plug, is Lime Rickey.

I feel the same way. I always thought he was a total phony, but he's clearly improved. His last race was very impressive.

Clip-Clop · #30 06-02-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I feel the same way. I always thought he was a total phony, but he's clearly improved. His last race was very impressive.

Terrible angle usually, but my wife loves Lime Rickey. This will generally regulate a horse to 3rd or 4th.

moses · #31 06-04-2009, 09:26 PM

So it looks like the forecast is saying rain for tomorrow...so I'm going to assume Belmont is going to be off the turf. How's that change everyone's thinking?

Mani Bhavan outclasses every horse in the Alyssum but she hasn't done much lately. And how will she do on a wet track?

hockey2315 · #32 06-04-2009, 10:14 PM

I wonder what the chance of them keeping the two stakes on the turf is. . . totally kills the card if they have to take them off.

Bobby Fischer · #33 06-04-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by moses

Mani Bhavan outclasses every horse in the Alyssum but she hasn't done much lately. And how will she do on a wet track?

that was really unfortunate for her that they asked her to run 8.5 in decent company over that polytrack. She generally breaks alertly with gate quickness which should help her over a sealed track.

Reforestation is decent option with outside speed. Hollendorfer's filly is interesting longshot, works not impressive on paper.

ateamstupid · #34 06-04-2009, 10:19 PM

Supposed to rain all day with the heaviest rain coming in the early afternoon. If they do stay on, I'd be skittish about betting anything considering the shape the course will be in.

moses · #35 06-04-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Supposed to rain all day with the heaviest rain coming in the early afternoon. If they do stay on, I'd be skittish about betting anything considering the shape the course will be in.

As you mention, it's going to rain all day, and the heaviest rain, according to weather.com will be from 1:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. So I really can't see them keeping the races on the turf.

As hockey mentions, the card is pretty much ruined if the two races are taken off the turf, but it may be a necessity.

JerseyJ · #36 06-04-2009, 10:48 PM

Mani Bhavan is not running. There was an article on DRF that Klesaris is only running the horse who just won at Delaware, Malibu Beach and the others are scratching.

NTamm1215 · #37 06-05-2009, 07:03 AM

As of right now the 8th and 9th are on the turf, which is rated soft. Total rainfall forecasted for today is about 1.25 inches. .

NT

CSC · #38 06-05-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

An interesting horse, and I never thought I'd be plugging this plug, is Lime Rickey.

Lime Rickey - I don't know if he will be the wiseguy choice today it seems many are interested in him today, but I like him also for the reasons already mentioned in this thread.

Bobby Fischer · #39 06-05-2009, 03:55 PM

horrible pools in the brooklyn/belmont double

they aren't even betting the morning lines. its like 300k of smart money.

the preakness was like 900k of mixed bag money

Gander · #40 06-06-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

horrible pools in the brooklyn/belmont double

they aren't even betting the morning lines. its like 300k of smart money.

the preakness was like 900k of mixed bag money

http://www.drf.com/news/article/104429.html