Mockery of Sport?

[Left Bank]

Bloodhorse reprts that Mine that Bird was purchased privately for $400,000 by the connections.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Bloodhorse reprts that Mine that Bird was purchased privately for $400,000 by the connections.

yep. they bought from the original owner who had purchased him for 9500. nice roi for both parties.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Danzig

FF went off the favorite. he achieved favoritism as soon as the skies opened up, before i want revenge scratched. all i read on here, and heard on t.v., was about his ability to win on the slop. but it's not right? how else explain why so many bet him? not one other horse was pointed out that i know of as being a known mudder.

Well, of course I can never prove it, but I find it impossible that of the miliions that were wagered to win on FF, that "most" of the people that went up to the window and made their bet were thinking "previous mud experience, yes! I'll bet the farm".

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but he's still right in that regard.

I agree, again...not bashing, just making an observation on this Derby.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I understand it's an observation. It just seems a little silly to wonder if Beyer cares this morning that a horse that should have been 5000-1 had low beyers going into the race. This is just specualtion, but I see Beyer (like most everyday players) as the kind of person that doesn't make one race such a big deal.

Most everyday players don't have their opinions published across the country, host chats on DRF, and have a speed number named after them. But maybe you're right.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

no way man. it's not a mockery at all. and i doubt it'll affect handle either. sometimes a long shot wins-no one quit going to oaklawn this year when flat out won, or when win willy won either.

hmm. say when win willy won three times fast.

Why because these things don't ever happen? You had another 20 claimer in the race.. John Herny was a claimer.. Come on They couldn't give Sunday Silience away as a yearling..

Look I am as surprised as anyone to see the horse move up so much but I doubt it does anything long term to the game.. The track was weird and the colt jumped up.. Let's hope the colt comes back clean, because if he didn't that would seriously harm the game.. Imagine if one the the suspected Chemists were the listed trainer, that colt would need a transfution of blood with the testing that would be done after the race

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Most everyday players don't have their opinions published across the country, host chats on DRF, and have a speed number named after them. But maybe you're right.

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

I can see that I'm going to be turned into a Beyer basher in this thread if I continue...God forbid you make an observation about a race. Jeez.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

I can see that I'm going to be turned into a Beyer basher in this thread if I continue...God forbid you make an observation about a race. Jeez.

Don't try to make yourself into a victim. People are responding to YOUR comments. If you don't want to, or can't, back them up, then maybe you shouldn't have made them. If you can back them up, feel free to do so, but the " woe is me " stuff is beneath you.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Imagine if one the the suspected Chemists were the listed trainer, that colt would need a transfution of blood with the testing that would be done after the race

No doubt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Why because these things don't ever happen? You had another 20 claimer in the race.. John Herny was a claimer.. Come on They couldn't give Sunday Silience away as a yearling..

Look I am as surprised as anyone to see the horse move up so much but I doubt it does anything long term to the game.. The track was weird and the colt jumped up.. Let's hope the colt comes back clean, because if he didn't that would seriously harm the game.. Imagine if one the the suspected Chemists were the listed trainer, that colt would need a transfution of blood with the testing that would be done after the race

since you and i seem to be in agreement, i'm confused a bit by you quoting my post, rather than someone who thinks yesterday is bad long term.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

I don't understand why it always comes down to the anonymous internet angle throwdown in every thread. I have plenty of good friends that I argue or disagree with in person all the time. To be honest with you, you seem a bit obsessed with this angle, and I don't really get it. I don't think I've said anything on here that I wouldn't say to you or someone else in person, although I guess I do acknowledge that a lot of people do get out of control on here.

[richard burch]

this is no problem at all, my wife took the 8 horse!

ca-ching!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

I don't understand why it always comes down to the anonymous internet angle throwdown in every thread. I have plenty of good friends that I argue or disagree with in person all the time. To be honest with you, you seem a bit obsessed with this angle, and I don't really get it. I don't think I've said anything on here that I wouldn't say to you or someone else in person, although I guess I do acknowledge that a lot of people do get out of control on here.

You missed my point. You directed this to some sort of " Beyer was wrong " angle, which maybe you didn't even mean, and then seem to wonder why people reacted that way. That's all. If you disagree.....explain it to us.

As far as the internet......I spend my days with the public at the track and talk to people all the time. Sometimes agreeably, and sometimes less so, but the exchanges are far more civil and even-handed than they are on the internet. I am not trying to point a finger at you, honestly, I am speaking generally. If you spent a month in my shoes I can promise that you would get it.

This is like the movie Caseys Shadow.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You missed my point. You directed this to some sort of " Beyer was wrong " angle, which maybe you didn't even mean, and then seem to wonder why people reacted that way. That's all. If you disagree.....explain it to us.

As far as the internet......I spend my days with the public at the track and talk to people all the time. Sometimes agreeably, and sometimes less so, but the exchanges are far more civil and even-handed than they are on the internet. I am not trying to point a finger at you, honestly, I am speaking generally. If you spent a month in my shoes I can promise that you would get it.

It wasn't a "Beyer was wrong" angle...what I said was that my guess was that Beyer would have been happier with a Summer Bird victory instead of a Mine that Bird victory, obviously because of each horses previous Beyer speed figures, and also because of his comments before the race about BSF's been a good indicator of performance in the race, etc, etc. I thought this was pretty logical, and I was just making that observation. Now, obviously you guys are friends, so maybe you can correct me if I am mistaken. Like most regular Joe type players, I read and listen to Beyer and other experts (such as yourself) with interest, and with the goal of improving my knowledge. The result yesterday was quite surprising to everyone, and those of you in the spotlight shouldn't take it as an attack when things like yesterday happen, and people ask questions or make observations.

So, do you think Beyer would have felt better about a Summer Bird victory than a Mine that Bird victory, or am I totally off base here?

Thanks...

[sumitas]

I do find the internet a harsher form of communication . It's just more difficult to emote . In any event , FF had good races in the slop and that drew a lot of money . Makes sense to me .

After just looking at the tgraph rotw seminar on the derby it was pointed out that MTB was one of the very few horses that could run a new top . However it was pointed out that he would need a huge improvement which was unlikely . hehe.

[Pedigree Ann]

Have none of you ever seen a race like this?

A horse who had previously won races running on/near the front end gets a bad break, stumbles, or is squeezed back, drops a couple of lengths back behind the next-last horse and you say "well, he's toast." Yet lo and behold, same horse finds a new dimension, and comes roaring down the stretch to win, or just miss. No one knew he had it in him, least of all the rider and trainer. Doesn't happen every day, or every month, but we have all seen it happen.

So yesterday it happened in the Kentucky Derby. Not going to happen again in our lifetime, most likely. Especially not with a patented Calvin Bo-Rail unimpeded passage on the best part of the track. The races that Mine That Bird won to be named champion 2yo in Canada were won by being forwardly placed, within a few lengths of the leader. Nobody could have logically predicted that he was capable of that kind of finishing kick from the next county. And although his pedigree hinted that he would move up on mud, he hadn't had the opportunity to display it. A sort of perfect storm of circumstances.

[Payson Dave]

I just wondering why MTB was only 50/1.... in a big Derby Day field it seems to me he should of been a lot longer than 50/1...only angles that seem to make any sense to me might be ... Canadian backers and/or Birdstone fans... either way still seems he should have been a lot longer than 50/1

Oh my...


yeah.