Friesan Fire training up to Derby

[The Indomitable DrugS]

same five weeks Big Brown had.

[Bobby Fischer]

obviously jokes but

Win Willy actually should train up to the Derby IMO.

Sell him , and get him to the gate.

I think he could flop in the Arkansas Derby

[Cannon Shell]

While I think it is a questionable decision to try to run 1 1/4 without a 1 1/8th prep, the 7 weeks thing isnt that big of a deal anymore. While it hasnt been done there are virtually no real contenders that ever even tried. With the light training schedules and spacing of races, it will happen eventually. The 3/16th stretchout would concern me more than the 7 weeks.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

is the derby trial just a joke now ..with the way the breed is nowdays
if you win that thing your up the track next week..maybee dutrow could put
one in and try it.

[philcski]

I just heard Street Hero is coming out of retirement and going to Larry Jones who's going to just train him up to the Derby, "because he's had a tough campaign mounting mares and needs to be fresh for the biggest race of his life".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

is the derby trial just a joke now ..with the way the breed is nowdays
if you win that thing your up the track next week..maybee dutrow could put
one in and try it.

It has been some time since real contneders raced in the DT. I believe it used to be held on the Tuesday before the Derby.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

I just heard Street Hero is coming out of retirement and going to Larry Jones who's going to just train him up to the Derby, "because he's had a tough campaign mounting mares and needs to be fresh for the biggest race of his life".

That is one crooked horse. His legs might snap if Jones ever got on him.

[-BT-]

though they have very little in common in regards to running style as soon as i read this i thought of Circular Quay............

to each is own, wouldn't be surprised if he floated up in the futures though

-bt-

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It has been some time since real contneders raced in the DT. I believe it used to be held on the Tuesday before the Derby.

I think the last horse to win the DT and a TC race was Creme Fraiche?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the last horse to win the DT and a TC race was Creme Fraiche?

Did he win the Dt? I didnt realize that.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

street sense's race got to go out in 1:16.65 and finish in 1:51.33
it was a different type of race and a great chance to carry form forward for a closer.

The Blue Grass could easily be a grueling race this year, nothing like the race SS ran in. It could cause a horse like Friesan Fire to lose momentum.

Huh?

[blackthroatedwind]

Back to back years in the early 90s the Derby Trial winner placed in the Preakness.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Back to back years in the early 90s the Derby Trial winner placed in the Preakness.

So did the 2008 winner...

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?

Jones was also considering the Blue Grass for Friesan Fire.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Back to back years in the early 90s the Derby Trial winner placed in the Preakness.

Right, Cherokee Run and Alydeed.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Cherokee Run and Alydeed?

I had to take you off ignore to read this.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by philcski

So did the 2008 winner...

That doesn't count, someone had to stagger in second.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

That doesn't count, someone had to stagger in second.

LOL

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

http://www.drf.com/news/article/102616.html

Thoughts?

It seems that many of the Derby "rules" have been tossed aside the last few years. The 2yo champ/BC Juvy winner is a throwout, the last prep has to be within four weeks, etc. The training game has changed much in the last 20 years, so perhaps the old rules no longer hold so much sway. Nowadays, it is common for a top horse to show up in a major stakes without a prep. Not too long ago, that same horse would have tuned up in a allowance or minor stakes at a sprint distance.

Larry did an amazing job getting Hard Spun and Eight Belles to run peak efforts in the Derby. He definitely knows what he is doing. If he feels that there is not much to gain but more to lose from another race before the Derby, then I trust his judgment.

Friesan Fire has raced four times at a mile or more since mid December. He has spent four months training and racing over the deep Fair Grounds surface. He may not have the ability to win the Derby, but he is going to be dead fit come May 2nd.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Back to back years in the early 90s the Derby Trial winner placed in the Preakness.

And the first of the two went on to win a Triple Crown race...in Canada.

NT