Five Hidden Obamacare Taxes that Crush the Middle Class

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

I was more concerned about the $569 billion of hidden taxes such as the investment income surtax, medicate payroll taxes, and those taxes that are imposed on the health care industry which will inevitably be passed on to consumers as virtually all taxes placed on businesses end up being passed on to the consumer.

These are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

These are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago.

Not one member of congress read that bill cover to cover.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Not one member of congress read that bill cover to cover.

That's a ridiculous statement to make Have you asked all 538 members personally? That their staff didn't read it? Silly.

The bill is shorter than a Harry Potter novel, and much of it is blank pages, and yes, indeed, the payment methods of how the Affordable Care Act was funded was fully covered in the press and in discussion on the House and Senate floor in detail.

The bill pays for itself, by the funding methods outlined within it. Which are not "hidden or secret", but were well-discussed. No secrets there. The bill has already been law for 2 years.

Do none of you realize the association between the Affordable Care Act and Romney's lies about the $716 billion?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a ridiculous statement to make Have you asked all 538 members personally? That their staff didn't read it? Silly.

The bill is shorter than a Harry Potter novel, and much of it is blank pages, and yes, indeed, the payment methods of how the Affordable Care Act was funded was fully covered in the press and in discussion on the House and Senate floor in detail.

The bill pays for itself, by the funding methods outlined within it. Which are not "hidden or secret", but were well-discussed. No secrets there. The bill has already been law for 2 years.

Do none of you realize the association between the Affordable Care Act and Romney's lies about the $716 billion?

They never had a chance to read anyhting, were they inclined. The vote was hurried through and the bill was jammed down our throats like everything this administration has done. Wake up.
While I know nothing of Harry Potter I am going out on a limb and guessing that no children's book is 906 pages. I will post the bill again for you, please go ahead and read it and see where the funding really comes from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...1hr3590enr.pdf

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Riot

These are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago.

They were all outlined in detail??? Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass it to find out what was in it. Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense.

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

They were all outlined in detail??? Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass it to find out what was in it.

I'm so tired of hearing that last sentence misused and taken out of context as to imply ignorance of the bill contents.

Yes - before the ACA was finalized, there were four different versions floating around between the House and Senate, between Dems and GOP.

Pelosi was asked in a press conference what would be in the final version, and yes, Nancy Pelosi said they would need to pass a finalized bill before we knew for sure. Meaning, she didn't know on that date which version would be the one that would end up being passed.

But of course, the content of all the different bills, including the funding mechanisms, were indeed in those written bills, there to read.

And as the ACA was passed, yes, the funding was discussed publicly in great detail at the time.

There's nothing "hidden". And the bill has been law for 2 years. Seems most would have read it by now. Especially as most of it - including the funding - has already been in existence or will be shortly.

BTW, do you realize the ACA relation to Romney's current lie about the $716 billion in Medicare?

Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense.

Do tell us which of the financing portion of the ACA is left up to the random discretion of the Health and Human Services Director, be they appointed by a Republican or a Democrat?

[Thepaindispenser]

Exactly Riot, the more we find out about Obamacare the more we know how much Obama lied about it. Reducing the deficit and covering more people, what a filthy liar. My premiums have already shot up and it hasn't even kicked in yet. Not only that, the quality of my care, or at least what I can afford, has already diminished. Why do you think Obama made sure it wouldnt kick in until after the 2012 election? Why has he granted waivers to his biggest donors? If the law was so great, wouldn't he want it up and running before the election? If it is so great why all the waivers for his big donor pals. I reiterate, you make no sense.

Please point out where I said Sebelius has discretion over financing because I can't seem to find it in my post.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Exactly Riot, the more we find out about Obamacare the more we know how much Obama lied about it. Reducing the deficit and covering more people, what a filthy liar. My premiums have already shot up and it hasn't even kicked in yet. Not only that, the quality of my care, or at least what I can afford, has already diminished. Why do you think Obama made sure it wouldnt kick in until after the 2012 election? Why has he granted waivers to his biggest donors? If the law was so great, wouldn't he want it up and running before the election? If it is so great why all the waivers for his big donor pals. I reiterate, you make no sense.

Reading you is like a stream-of-conciousness mainline from Freepers Fearville of Lies.

It's so sad you believe that.

Please point out where I said Sebelius has discretion over financing because I can't seem to find it in my post.

It was where you said,

"Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense."

[Thepaindispenser]

Again, where does it say discretion over financing?

Nice try with Nancy Pelosi, she is an elitist piece of garbage, who thinks that we should trust her liberal politician pals and her to make laws where there is no transpency during the process and that don't apply to them. If Obamacare is so great, why doesn't apply to members of Congress and Obama? Why did Obama lie so much about being transparent during the process?

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Again, where does it say discretion over financing?

You put that sentence directly into a reply about the financing of the ACA. Duh.

Nice try with Nancy Pelosi, she is an elitist piece of garbage, who thinks that we should trust her liberal politician pals and her to make laws where there is no transpency during the process and that don't apply to them.

You are simply incapable of talking politics. You can only spew your hate venom. Done with you. Blech.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

These are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago.

Go ask any senior if they are aware of these taxes and the costs that will be passed on to them by the health care companies. Hell, go ask any tanner if they are aware of it. Where is Obama admitting to these taxes? In reality, he is trying to dupe the public into believing that this bill will pay for itself when the CBO was provided information that double counted actual savings. Actual costs, estimated by Charles Blohaus, you know one of two public trustees appointed by Obama to Social Security and Medicare, are $1,160 billion over the next 10 years.

So are you really going to keep up the charade that there are no hidden costs, it saves us money, and that Obama is not lying to people about the actual costs of this monstrosity?

And while you are at it, why don't you make a fool of yourself trying to justify the tax you were so quick to belittle.

Both you and your diety are filthy disgusting liars.