DERBY/OAKS DAWN PATROL: (5/1) Valeski out, Optimizer in..

Rootdog1 · #1 04-30-2012, 05:28 PM

"I'm very unhappy about the reports on El Padrino, but the picks were an attempt to send a message about how to approach the race."

Steve - What did you mean by this? Are the reports that he is not looking so well??? I had not heard that, so any info is great.

Many Thanks

herkhorse · #2 04-30-2012, 05:41 PM

Rousing Sermon is my suck up for 3rd or 4th Horse.

justindew · #3 04-30-2012, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

"I'm very unhappy about the reports on El Padrino, but the picks were an attempt to send a message about how to approach the race."

Steve - What did you mean by this? Are the reports that he is not looking so well??? I had not heard that, so any info is great.

Many Thanks

GOOD!!!!

Not looking so GOOD!!!!!!

Why does everyone in horse racing insist on using "well" instead of "good"????? The HRTV and TVG people do this all the time and it drives me up a god.damn wall.

It has to be the fact that you are supposed to say "I don't feel well" or "I didn't play well" as opposed to "I don't feel good" or "I didn't play good". But in the sense of describing how a horse looks, it is OK to say "he looks good."

Rootdog1 · #4 04-30-2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew

GOOD!!!!

Not looking so GOOD!!!!!!

Why does everyone in horse racing insist on using "well" instead of "good"????? The HRTV and TVG people do this all the time and it drives me up a god.damn wall.

It has to be the fact that you are supposed to say "I don't feel well" or "I didn't play well" as opposed to "I don't feel good" or "I didn't play good". But in the sense of describing how a horse looks, it is OK to say "he looks good."

Sounds like you are not feeling well. Did you get what I asking? sheeesh!

Rootdog1 · #5 04-30-2012, 05:52 PM

You know what pisses me off? Your use punctuation. !!!!!!! and ?????? It is fine and well to just use one.

slotdirt · #6 04-30-2012, 06:19 PM

The Palm Meadows work seems disconcerting, but the track was messy. I will be looking forward to hearing Welsch's comments on him when the horse finally makes his way to Churchill.

tywizard · #7 04-30-2012, 06:58 PM

Is anyone else finding it impossible to construct a cost-effective tickets for tris and supers? I may limit to exactas and then try the Pick 3/4 with 4-5 of my top selections....

Steve - You mention looking over the past few Derby charts...I've looked at the past 10 PPs for the Derby and tried to compare relative to eventual outcome. I've noticed the following:

1. This group is unlike any group in the past 10 years....or any year that I can remember to be exact. Each of them seem to primed for a top performance.

2. I've posted this before elsewhere, the past five winners have been setup so that the Derby is third off the bench. With that in mind, this angle fits seven horses: Trinniberg, Done Talking, Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat, Dullahan, Gemologist and Union Rags.

Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat and Union Rags all appear to be training well at CD....Gemologist is undefeated and has two wins at the track...Dullahan seems plausible...Done Talking is logical underneath and Trinniberg is a toss.

I'm scared of Bodemiester not being on that list, but I'm thinking about using 5 of the seven above in the multi's.

Thoughts?

booner · #8 04-30-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

Is anyone else finding it impossible to construct a cost-effective tickets for tris and supers? I may limit to exactas and then try the Pick 3/4 with 4-5 of my top selections....

Steve - You mention looking over the past few Derby charts...I've looked at the past 10 PPs for the Derby and tried to compare relative to eventual outcome. I've noticed the following:

1. This group is unlike any group in the past 10 years....or any year that I can remember to be exact. Each of them seem to primed for a top performance.

2. I've posted this before elsewhere, the past five winners have been setup so that the Derby is third off the bench. With that in mind, this angle fits seven horses: Trinniberg, Done Talking, Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat, Dullahan, Gemologist and Union Rags.

Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat and Union Rags all appear to be training well at CD....Gemologist is undefeated and has two wins at the track...Dullahan seems plausible...Done Talking is logical underneath and Trinniberg is a toss.

I'm scared of Bodemiester not being on that list, but I'm thinking about using 5 of the seven above in the multi's.

Thoughts?

I will not have Bodemeister on any of my tickets. He has progressed for 4 straight races; I think he is due to regress in the Derby, even though he did work lights out and looked good on Sunday.

Danzig · #9 04-30-2012, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

You know what pisses me off? Your use punctuation. !!!!!!! and ?????? It is fine and well to just use one.

lol
i'm still hung up on IC saying a point was mute, but that's a personal problem.

Indian Charlie · #10 04-30-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
i'm still hung up on IC saying a point was mute, but that's a personal problem.

If only all points were mute.

Rudeboyelvis · #11 04-30-2012, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew

GOOD!!!!

Not looking so GOOD!!!!!!

Why does everyone in horse racing insist on using "well" instead of "good"????? The HRTV and TVG people do this all the time and it drives me up a god.damn wall.

It has to be the fact that you are supposed to say "I don't feel well" or "I didn't play well" as opposed to "I don't feel good" or "I didn't play good". But in the sense of describing how a horse looks, it is OK to say "he looks good."

Sounds like you might just wann take a deep breath and then key "Went the Day Good" in your verticals on Saturday

HaloWishingwell · #12 04-30-2012, 07:23 PM

Originally I was going to use El Padrino underneath in exotics. The thought was his style fits well with how the race will go pace wise and he's bred to go long. But his last work didn't sound good at all especially for a horse who thrives on the off going. Besides having a horse that gets injured every year for Pletcher he also has one that sours on him just before the Derby. Last year Brethren was one of his top colts and just went South.To the point of not even going to The Derby. The year before it was Rule. I think El Padrino just became a toss for me even at his price.