DERBY/OAKS DAWN PATROL: (5/1) Valeski out, Optimizer in..

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

P.S. - not sure folks who are inquiring about Liaison can really knock those looking to take a stab with El Padrino...

I'm not knocking people. I just don't get why people like him and want it explained.

Nick's explanation still doesn't do it for me, and yeah, while Pyro and El Padrino do have different circumstances, my assertation that they are similar in style and lack of speed, and an abundance of hype, it still stands.