DERBY/OAKS DAWN PATROL: (5/1) Valeski out, Optimizer in..

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I understand that Pyro ran over poly, but he also utterly bombed. El Padrino's never had that kind of performance, regardless of the surface.

What do you consider longshot? 20-something-1? Because I think that's what you'll get on El Padrino. He'll certainly be much longer odds than Pyro's 5.7-1 back in 2008.

I doubt you'll see 20/1, and if it weren't for that awful performance in his last race, he'd have been one of the favorites.