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Old 04-27-2012, 02:26 AM
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No horse making his route debut has ever won the derby.
I wonder when the last horse making his route debut in the derby actually happened.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:55 AM
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I wonder when the last horse making his route debut in the derby actually happened.
Probably never. Sir Barton broke his maiden in the derby no ? I can't recall any.
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:08 AM
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the first winner, aristides, was entered to be a rabbit for his stablemate chesapeake. believe chesapeake was the favorite coming in. aristides got left alone on the lead and was still in front at the top of the stretch. supposedly his jock was looking around to see where ches. was, and the owner was yelling just keep going or something to that effect.

and i think they used to have the derby on a wednesday.


the founder of churchill was meriwether clark jr, he was Clark's grandson (of the lewis and clark expedition). that ought to answer anyone's potential question of who is the clark handicap named for?
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Is the founder related to PBF?
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:13 AM
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Man O' War did not run in the Derby because his owner felt it was a bush league track. In fact Kentucky's favorite son never ran in the state.
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The whole Apollo thing would be kind of a red flag if it weren't for the fact that pretty much every Derby streak has been broken in recent years.
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Man O' War did not run in the Derby because his owner felt it was a bush league track. In fact Kentucky's favorite son never ran in the state.
MoW's owner didn't believe in bringing a horse back off of the layoff by what he called "racing in the West"

He spoke of Churchill Downs like it was Santa Anita.
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Aside from the Sir Barton race, Man o' War only stepped foot outside of the state of New York to race twice, and both times were in Maryland.
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MoW's owner didn't believe in bringing a horse back off of the layoff by what he called "racing in the West"

He spoke of Churchill Downs like it was Santa Anita.
Which was considered a bush league track as well. If it wasn't the east coast, it was a bunch of cowboys.
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Is the founder related to PBF?
who?
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