When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[Rupert Pupkin]

Now that we have the state attorney general, FBI, and the Justice Department involved, are you guys confident that there will be a thorough investigation?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Now that we have the state attorney general, FBI, and the Justice Department involved, are you guys confident that there will be a thorough investigation?

Well, the FBI & Justice only prosecutes a hate crime, to my knowledge. And I thought Justice was also looking at performance of that PD overall due to their past record?

But they have a special prosecutor locally now, she has a great rep. If she says she's done a thorough investigation, and no charges should be brought, I'm good with that. Grand Jury to meet the 10th, but I think she can go ahead on her own before if she wanted.

[GenuineRisk]

Now three experts in voice recognition are saying they are certain the screams on the 911 calls are not Zimmerman's:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...0,250481.story

Also, a second ambulance was originally called for Zimmerman (first one was for Trayvon's corpse), but then cancelled:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1qiRUs3nD

Which doesn't help the claim that Zimmerman was seriously injured.

I wonder how "temporary" the Sanford Police Chief's stepping down from his position is going to be.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Now three experts in voice recognition are saying they are certain the screams on the 911 calls are not Zimmerman's:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...0,250481.story

Also, a second ambulance was originally called for Zimmerman (first one was for Trayvon's corpse), but then cancelled:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1qiRUs3nD

Which doesn't help the claim that Zimmerman was seriously injured.

I wonder how "temporary" the Sanford Police Chief's stepping down from his position is going to be.

I think Trayvon's father would know his son's voice. When they played him the tape, he said that the voice yelling for help was not Trayvon. Later he changed his mind but he likely changed his mind after he realized that it would hurt his case if he admitted that it was the other guy that was screaming for help.

I'm certainly no expert on voice recognition but I am still pretty skeptical that they could tell whether it was Zimmerman by comparing his "speaking voice" with his "screaming for help voice". Even from what the article said, it is certainly not an exact science like DNA. It will be interesting to see if any other voice recognition experts come forward and have the opposite opinion of the experts cited in the article.

It is certainly possible that Zimmerman is lying and that he is the one that initiated the physical confrontation. Then maybe when he was losing the fight, he pulled out his gun and shot Trayvon. I can't totally rule that out. If that is what happened then that would not be self-defense. That would probably be manslaughter. But even if that is what happened, they still have to prove it. They have to come up with some evidence that shows that Zimmerman's version of what happened is false.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think Trayvon's father would know his son's voice. When they played him the tape, he said that the voice yelling for help was not Trayvon. Later he changed his mind but he likely changed his mind after he realized that it would hurt his case if he admitted that it was the other guy that was screaming for help.

I'm certainly no expert on voice recognition but I am still pretty skeptical that they could tell whether it was Zimmerman by comparing his "speaking voice" with his "screaming for help voice". Even from what the article said, it is certainly not an exact science like DNA. It will be interesting to see if any other voice recognition experts come forward and have the opposite opinion of the experts cited in the article.

It is certainly possible that Zimmerman is lying and that he is the one that initiated the physical confrontation. Then maybe when he was losing the fight, he pulled out his gun and shot Trayvon. I can't totally rule that out. If that is what happened then that would not be self-defense. That would probably be manslaughter. But even if that is what happened, they still have to prove it. They have to come up with some evidence that shows that Zimmerman's version of what happened is false.

just saw a headline this morning that the voice recognition guy said the screams weren't zimmerman.
and of course he will say trayvon attacked him-he just killed someone. you think he's not going to say he was defending himself?? the fact is had he not gotten out of his car and gone after him-which is what they told him not to do-we wouldn't be having this conversation. he had no reason to get out of the car, he had no reason or right to confront trayvon. on what basis did he accost the boy? and exactly what did he think he was going to accomplish by approaching a total stranger-with him having absolutely no authority to do so. even if he were a member of neighborhood watch-note the name. WATCH. no, try to emulate clint eastwood.
put yourself in trayvons shoes. you're walking home, with skittles and a drink. some guy is following you, which freaks you out. the guy's not a cop, not in a cop car, not a security guy. just a total stranger.

[Danzig]

read the article, actually two different voice experts said the voice yelling 'help' was not zimmerman.

here's this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053821

note where it says police video shows no evidence of any injury to zimmerman.

[DaTruth]

Now why would someone at NBC do this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z6

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

read the article, actually two different voice experts said the voice yelling 'help' was not zimmerman.

here's this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1053821

note where it says police video shows no evidence of any injury to zimmerman.

I read the article about the voice experts. That is what I was referring to in that post. Genuine Risk had posted a link to that article and I was responding to it.

With regard to some media outlets saying that the police video shows no evidence of injury to Zimmerman, that is their interpretation of the video. Other media outlets have said the exact opposite about the video. I think you can clearly see evidence of injury to the back of Zimmerman's head on the video. Check out the still photo:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/

One of the officers said it was bad enough that he thought Zimmerman was going to need several stitches to close it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just saw a headline this morning that the voice recognition guy said the screams weren't zimmerman.
and of course he will say trayvon attacked him-he just killed someone. you think he's not going to say he was defending himself?? the fact is had he not gotten out of his car and gone after him-which is what they told him not to do-we wouldn't be having this conversation. he had no reason to get out of the car, he had no reason or right to confront trayvon. on what basis did he accost the boy? and exactly what did he think he was going to accomplish by approaching a total stranger-with him having absolutely no authority to do so. even if he were a member of neighborhood watch-note the name. WATCH. no, try to emulate clint eastwood.
put yourself in trayvons shoes. you're walking home, with skittles and a drink. some guy is following you, which freaks you out. the guy's not a cop, not in a cop car, not a security guy. just a total stranger.

He probably got out his car and followed on foot because he wanted to be able to tell the police where Trayvon was when they got there. Trayvon had left the street and had gone down a grass path. Zimmerman would have lost him at that point if he didn't follow him on foot.

We don't know if Zimmerman had any intention of confronting Trayvon in any way. What may have happened is when he ran after Trayvon down the grass and then turned the corner, he found himself face to face with him. Zimmerman may have never planned on coming face to face with him.

I agree with you that it is possible that Zimmerman was the one who started the physical altercation. I can't sit here and tell you for sure that Zimmerman is telling the truth and that Trayvon attacked him first. Zimmerman could be lying. I haven't ruled that out. To answer your question about what justification Zimmerman had to attack Trayvon, if Zimmerman did in fact attack Trayvon first, I would say Zimmerman would have no justification. If that was how it happened, then Zimmerman is probably guilty of manslaughter.

I agree with you that Trayvon was probably scared or at least concerned when he saw some stranger following him. We will probably never know exactly what was said between the two of him. They say that Trayvon asked Zimmerman, "Why are you following me?" They say Zmmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" I wonder if Trayvon ever told him that he was simply going to his father's house. I wonder if Zimmerman ever told Trayvon that he was simply doing a neighborhood watch.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He probably got out his car and followed on foot because he wanted to be able to tell the police where Trayvon was when they got there. Trayvon had left the street and had gone down a grass path. Zimmerman would have lost him at that point if he didn't follow him on foot.

We don't know if Zimmerman had any intention of confronting Trayvon in any way. What may have happened is when he ran after Trayvon down the grass and then turned the corner, he found himself face to face with him. Zimmerman may have never planned on coming face to face with him.

I agree with you that it is possible that Zimmerman was the one who started the physical altercation. I can't sit here and tell you for sure that Zimmerman is telling the truth and that Trayvon attacked him first. Zimmerman could be lying. I haven't ruled that out. To answer your question about what justification Zimmerman had to attack Trayvon, if Zimmerman did in fact attack Trayvon first, I would say Zimmerman would have no justification. If that was how it happened, then Zimmerman is probably guilty of manslaughter.

I agree with you that Trayvon was probably scared or at least concerned when he saw some stranger following him. We will probably never know exactly what was said between the two of him. They say that Trayvon asked Zimmerman, "Why are you following me?" They say Zmmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" I wonder if Trayvon ever told him that he was simply going to his father's house. I wonder if Zimmerman ever told Trayvon that he was simply doing a neighborhood watch.

Dispatcher told him specifically NOT TO FOLLOW. Anything that happend after that conversation would make him the agressor if I were on the jury.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He probably got out his car and followed on foot because he wanted to be able to tell the police where Trayvon was when they got there.

What the hell? This American citizen wasn't doing anything illegal. Are we no longer allowed to walk in our neighborhoods without Zimmermans' permission? He was walking while black. Period.

I don't give a damn what happened or what was said when Zimmerman decided to intrude upon this boy, or what happened when Trayvon defended himself from an attack by a stranger: Zimmerman killed this boy with deadly force for no reason. "Fear of his life" - in a fist fight? With a one-hundred pound weight advantage?

The police are supposed to protect us from being randomly killed by fellow crazy citizens.

Their investigation stunk. Now others have taken that over. Thank god.