Newt blames bad debate last night on lack of audience cheering

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'm not into controlling people's emotions.

If you want a controlled audience, than dont invite any audience at all. Just do the debate for the tv cameras.

but if Newt wins the nom, Obama doesnt stand a chance in debates.

The audience rudeness at televised political debates is a very recent thing. Most adults used to know that if they were invited to sit in the audience to watch a political debate live, it wasn't about them.

And Newt demonstrated last night his inability to respond live to attacks and accusations. The only thing Newt does is blow dog whistles and lecture. Newt has been in government for 40 years. He's nothing new, and we've seen his complete bag of tricks 20 years ago. The sudden infatuation with Newt is laughable, especially by the Tea Party. Newt is the consummate Washington insider lobbyist, making his money off influence peddling. His taking credit for Clinton's accomplishments just gets better and better as Newt gets more and more grandiose in his claims.

American politics have been anything but civil in the past. You're wrong yet again.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

American politics have been anything but civil in the past. You're wrong yet again.

What I said was:

The audience rudeness at televised political debates is a very recent thing. Most adults used to know that if they were invited to sit in the audience to watch a political debate live, it wasn't about them.

Originally Posted by Riot

What I said was:

The audience rudeness at televised political debates is a very recent thing. Most adults used to know that if they were invited to sit in the audience to watch a political debate live, it wasn't about them.

The fact that a debate is on television means f.uck all and you're wrong either way with that weak hedge/semantics horses.hit.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The fact that a debate is on television means f.uck all and you're wrong either way with that weak hedge/semantics horses.hit.

You're the one that tried to take my comment about audience behaviour at televised political debates and equate it to the entirety of political correctness and behaviour over decades.

I wouldn't presume to lecture another on "semantics" after that reach

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

American politics have been anything but civil in the past. You're wrong yet again.

ain't that the truth! it cracks me up when people bemoan the lack of civility today, and talk of 'the good old days'. what, like back when the v.p. shot the former secretary of the treasury in a duel? or when the guy took a fellow senators cane and thrashed him with it? anyone ever take a gander at the political cartoons back when honest abe was in the running for president, and after he was elected? WOW. they were unbelievable.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ain't that the truth! it cracks me up when people bemoan the lack of civility today, and talk of 'the good old days'. what, like back when the v.p. shot the former secretary of the treasury in a duel? or when the guy took a fellow senators cane and thrashed him with it? anyone ever take a gander at the political cartoons back when honest abe was in the running for president, and after he was elected? WOW. they were unbelievable.

yeah, but, but... people were nicer on TV back then.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

ain't that the truth! it cracks me up when people bemoan the lack of civility today, and talk of 'the good old days'. what, like back when the v.p. shot the former secretary of the treasury in a duel? or when the guy took a fellow senators cane and thrashed him with it? anyone ever take a gander at the political cartoons back when honest abe was in the running for president, and after he was elected? WOW. they were unbelievable.

All of which has exactly nothing to do with the behaviour of live TV audiences in studios, watching - not participating in - political debates in 2012.

The same piece of machinery that shows people competing for a husband and also swapping spouses is supposed to automatically induce civility in a political debate? Just admit you're wrong, psycho.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The same piece of machinery that shows people competing for a husband and also swapping spouses is supposed to automatically induce civility in a political debate? Just admit you're wrong, psycho.

People are responsible for their own civility. Example: you.

Newt was using the Southern Strategy in South Carolina. Just like Palin. Just like Nixon. Just like Reagan. Just like Atwater. It doesn't work without lemming-like crowd frenzy feeding off itself.

The most "civil" are the ones you have to keep an eye on. They are usually the rulemakers. Phonies. You are extremely civil which basically means passive-aggressive dis-informer

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The audience rudeness at televised political debates is a very recent thing. Most adults used to know that if they were invited to sit in the audience to watch a political debate live, it wasn't about them.

And Newt demonstrated last night his inability to respond live to attacks and accusations. The only thing Newt does is blow dog whistles and lecture. Newt has been in government for 40 years. He's nothing new, and we've seen his complete bag of tricks 20 years ago. The sudden infatuation with Newt is laughable, especially by the Tea Party. Newt is the consummate Washington insider lobbyist, making his money off influence peddling. His taking credit for Clinton's accomplishments just gets better and better as Newt gets more and more grandiose in his claims.

taking credit for clinton's accomplishments??? really??

So let me get this straight.

the speaker of the house... ya know, the most important person in congress.. had nothing to do with accomplishments in the 90's?

Do I need to give you a basic rundown of how the government works.. especially how bills are formed? I probably could find some old slides from 5th grade..

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

taking credit for clinton's accomplishments??? really??

So let me get this straight.

the speaker of the house... ya know, the most important person in congress.. had nothing to do with accomplishments in the 90's?

Newt had plenty to do with some, and little to nothing to do with others. His claims are typical Newt - they get more grandiose as time goes on

Do I need to give you a basic rundown of how the government works.. especially how bills are formed? I probably could find some old slides from 5th grade..

While you are looking that up, read a good detailed book on our political sausage making from 1981 on, and Newt's real involvement. We have a long, long history of factual Newtdom to work off of.