Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[MaTH716]

Posting this here, because it's really not new thready worthy.

But just noticed that Kala Stra(54 4 1 2) has more wins at Del Mar than Mike Smith (58 3 4 5 {one win is from that ridiculous match race}). I think that's unbeeelieevable.........

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Posting this here, because it's really not new thready worthy.

But just noticed that Kala Stra(54 4 1 2) has more wins at Del Mar than Mike Smith (58 3 4 5 {one win is from that ridiculous match race}). I think that's unbeeelieevable.........

Are her wins all from the turf?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

Are her wins all from the turf?

I honestly don't know, but it really doesn't matter. You would think that Smith is also getting much better horses to ride. I was just shocked when I saw it.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I honestly don't know, but it really doesn't matter. You would think that Smith is also getting much better horses to ride. I was just shocked when I saw it.

Matt, He really seemed to take a very casual attitude there this meet - almost as if he was riding as a favor for certain trainers/owners. His mounts were never world beaters but certainly much more live than anything thrown Stra's way, and few and far between (58 total for the meeting).

Stra on the other hand, never had anything live and just rode her guts out. Almost funny to see Baffert use her on Sunday - any time a Baffert firster goes off @ 6-1, it might as well be 66-1. If they're even rumored to be live they get crushed. I thought she had a great meet and hope she gets some classier opportunities @ SA.

I can't and won't try to physically tie Baze's struggle with his work, but it was crystal clear that something was way off with him. He ruined a bunch of winning efforts as his timing was off and his reactions were not fluid. Cost me a pick 4 on Sir Bell's drop in class (watch the race - it is a perfect example of what I'm describing) who went on to win two in a row without him. That was just one example of at least 6 other rides I could reference.

Hope he gets the help he needs and comes back stronger... shame to see talented people destroy themselves.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I honestly don't know, but it really doesn't matter. You would think that Smith is also getting much better horses to ride. I was just shocked when I saw it.

Really? You were shocked? The guy hasn't ridden like a top rider in 5+ years. If it weren't for Zenyatta, no one would even know his name anymore.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? You were shocked? The guy hasn't ridden like a top rider in 5+ years. If it weren't for Zenyatta, no one would even know his name anymore.

I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of him Joey, but to be behind Kala Stra?
I just assumed that he was still considered a go to jock out there and although he was riding fewer mounts, many of them were live.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Posting this here, because it's really not new thready worthy.

But just noticed that Kala Stra(54 4 1 2) has more wins at Del Mar than Mike Smith (58 3 4 5 {one win is from that ridiculous match race}). I think that's unbeeelieevable.........

Whoa I had no idea!

Fun thread.

Back to Tyler... Poor kid has been through a lot. I wish him all the best.

[Stickhorse]

I saw a HRTV's Inside Information piece about Tyler Baze. It commented about his struggles with alcohol but was probably produced about a year ago.

Anybody have an idea what is happening with Tyler now?

The DRF link below says he remains suspended and still has not satisfactorily served a 30 Rehab Program mandated by the SoCal stewards.

http://www.drf.com/news/hollywood-ty...-entered-rehab

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Anybody have an idea what is happening with Tyler now?

[Danzig]

i would imagine what's happening with tyler is that he's still denying he has a problem, that he can quit at any time, but right now he doesn't want to quit drinking.
he will either realize he has a problem and do something about it...or he will decide he doesn't, and will end up dying in an alleyway. feel bad for his family-it can't be fun watching someone self-destruct and be helpless to do anything about it.

[Stickhorse]

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I guess the poor guy has taken to having to book his own mounts for his comeback.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease? None of those self inflicted.

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unbeileveable!

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Perhaps not. That's what's wrong with your theory.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

It wasn't meant to be classy, you histrionic fop.

Humor at the expense of others is timeless.

The internet was a lovely place. You'll have internet 2.0 soon where speech is monitored and censored so your fragile mind can be at ease.

It was a great day. Sunny and 70.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It wasn't meant to be classy, you histrionic fop.

Humor at the expense of others is timeless.

The internet was a lovely place. You'll have internet 2.0 soon where speech is monitored and censored so your fragile mind can be at ease.

It was a great day. Sunny and 70.

If you posted a picture of an aids baby would that be funny and timeless?

Alcoholism is a disease. To belittle someone, especially in a public forum for having a disease is the act of a heartless, hateful, coward.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I am not getting into this battle but this series of pics culminating in the passed out cigarette guy is hilarious.

My two cents on alcoholism? Try working with the alcoholic when you have to carry their weight on the job and I bet some of this sensitivity goes away pretty quickly.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I am not getting into this battle but this series of pics culminating in the passed out cigarette guy is hilarious.

My two cents on alcoholism? Try working with the alcoholic when you have to carry their weight on the job and I bet some of this sensitivity goes away pretty quickly.

I agree with this, the closer you are and the more you are impacted the less compassion you will have.

The most interesting thing about this thread to me and how it differs from Cancer etc..... Kev said if he goes to the bar he knows he will drink and not be able to stop. He has been able to avoid this temptation and not drink for a while now. People with cancer or other awful diseases do not have this option. While both are diseases I believe that people with alcoholism, at least in some cases, can make choices that will keep them healthy.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I agree with this, the closer you are and the more you are impacted the less compassion you will have.

The most interesting thing about this thread to me and how it differs from Cancer etc..... Kev said if he goes to the bar he knows he will drink and not be able to stop. He has been able to avoid this temptation and not drink for a while now. People with cancer or other awful diseases do not have this option. While both are diseases I believe that people with alcoholism, at least in some cases, can make choices that will keep them healthy.

Going into a bar doesn't actually bother me. Being around alcohol doesn't bother me in the least. Hell, I bought the boys a few rounds in Tampa and had no problem carrying 2-3 beers in my hands. There was no temptation there at all for me.

The difficult thing for me to convey and equally difficult for the average drinker to understand is that when an alcoholic is in the depths of his illness, there is no choice. That is the power that alcohol can have over people. When it comes to alcohol, my mind and body are wired completely different than others. I never expect anyone to understand that, just as I can't understand people that are able to have just a few.

As a group, we can go around and around about this topic all day, but just like most controversial topics, there is always gonna be 2 sides and rarely will one side be able to change the view points of others. Personally, I am blessed to have family and friends in my life that, even though they may not understand alcoholism, they support me in my effort to remain sober.