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Old 04-23-2011, 06:47 PM
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Where was your ticket before the day started Mr. 58??
It's hard to say, as it was different than the post race one.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:51 PM
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It's hard to say, as it was different than the post race one.
I'm sure you are correct.

And if the 9 had won the last leg, our $800 syndicate would have lost money on the play. Does that mean it was a bad bet? Of course not.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:20 AM
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I'm sure you are correct.

And if the 9 had won the last leg, our $800 syndicate would have lost money on the play. Does that mean it was a bad bet? Of course not.
that was my whole point....it is a bad bet. if i'm going to bet 400 on picking 6 horse races....i better get more than 3-1. thats what my first post said. gee, i'm going to bet 800 to get 820..on some gimmick half the world is betting....you were right its over 5 times the parlay...but its a dime and your burning numbers and a ticket or two.....plus yesterdays paid 2236 a little more than three times the parlay...there were two 3 dollar horses friday and a 8-5...so all the hoopla was worth it i guess according to you. i would never bet thinking thats a great win...but whatever. i got 1600, like thousands of other people that split with a friend. its a freakin pic 6 for crying out loud....i can find better deals than your theory betting to win and place..on one race...the way i usually bet or exactas...that things called a rainbow for reason...its a lousy dime and you are chasing the rainbow not the split, thats the whole point....there were 100,000 live tickets after the 10th race(with 2 races left)....just like i said in my original post....yeah ,,,it was going to pay big balloons........lol. you guys think i'm bragging like i get rich at this.....i do not...i can lose 2000 as soon as win it. but i'm not going to risk 700 to get 3200 and pick 6 horse races unless i intend on hitting hit all. yup half the world was chasing 3,000 dollars....it was a real jackpot. the only number i care about is ROI....i bet week in ....week out . keep records every month and tally the year. its a grind and an investment, the bottom line is all that matters.....and how much i have to bet to get so much back if i win....that thing could of paid 100 times the parlay...for someone like me its still looks like you bet 400 to get 1600. do the tellers give bonuses for beating the parlay? where i come from you made 3-1...on a pic 6. a few days from now when i throw my money back in the pool its still only a lousy 1600 for a pic 6 with a pool of 5.7 million...i can bet 200 of that on ONE horse i like and maybe win more if i'm right. in under a minute and a half. thats the reality of betting all the time..... ROI...they site it all the time in the NYRA show but i guess in derby trail land it does not matter...you'll do real well betting every day hitting pic 6's that pay 1600.....and like i said that was at 10 freakin cents...which is the only reason i played the thing....bet a little get alot...i got kicked in the teeth friday ...i admitted it...i was taking a shot not getting cute with the parlay. derby trails theory having to hit 6 horse races and getting an 8 dollar mutuel is a big victory....i'll remember that one.

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Old 04-24-2011, 12:09 PM
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that was my whole point....it is a bad bet. if i'm going to bet 400 on picking 6 horse races....i better get more than 3-1. thats what my first post said. gee, i'm going to bet 800 to get 820..on some gimmick half the world is betting....you were right its over 5 times the parlay...but its a dime and your burning numbers and a ticket or two.....plus yesterdays paid 2236 a little more than three times the parlay...there were two 3 dollar horses friday and a 8-5...so all the hoopla was worth it i guess according to you. i would never bet thinking thats a great win...but whatever. i got 1600, like thousands of other people that split with a friend. its a freakin pic 6 for crying out loud....i can find better deals than your theory betting to win and place..on one race...the way i usually bet or exactas...that things called a rainbow for reason...its a lousy dime and you are chasing the rainbow not the split, thats the whole point....there were 100,000 live tickets after the 10th race(with 2 races left)....just like i said in my original post....yeah ,,,it was going to pay big balloons........lol. you guys think i'm bragging like i get rich at this.....i do not...i can lose 2000 as soon as win it. but i'm not going to risk 700 to get 3200 and pick 6 horse races unless i intend on hitting hit all. yup half the world was chasing 3,000 dollars....it was a real jackpot. the only number i care about is ROI....i bet week in ....week out . keep records every month and tally the year. its a grind and an investment, the bottom line is all that matters.....and how much i have to bet to get so much back if i win....that thing could of paid 100 times the parlay...for someone like me its still looks like you bet 400 to get 1600. do the tellers give bonuses for beating the parlay? where i come from you made 3-1...on a pic 6. a few days from now when i throw my money back in the pool its still only a lousy 1600 for a pic 6 with a pool of 5.7 million...i can bet 200 of that on ONE horse i like and maybe win more if i'm right. in under a minute and a half. thats the reality of betting all the time..... ROI...they site it all the time in the NYRA show but i guess in derby trail land it does not matter...you'll do real well betting every day hitting pic 6's that pay 1600.....and like i said that was at 10 freakin cents...which is the only reason i played the thing....bet a little get alot...i got kicked in the teeth friday ...i admitted it...i was taking a shot not getting cute with the parlay. derby trails theory having to hit 6 horse races and getting an 8 dollar mutuel is a big victory....i'll remember that one.
Just so you're aware, idiotic lottery players like you are the reason Gulfstream experimented with this wager in the first place. They wanted people to piss money into a pool chasing a jackpot they were almost certainly not going to hit in order to attract more and more cash for when it actually had to be paid out.

I really don't understand how you can argue about value and ROI when you were playing a Pick 6 for weeks THAT DIDN'T PAY YOU IF YOU GOT 6 OUT OF 6. How in the hell is that a good investment? It's the biggest sucker bet in the game.

Let me try to explain to you, one last time, why beating the parlay 5+ times is important. The parlay of yesterday's winners would've paid $12,818 for $2. The actual $2 Pick 6 paid $65,585. Were it not for the carryover, the $2 payout would've been closer to $20,000. THE CARRYOVER MADE IT PAY THREE TIMES WHAT IT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE PAID. Why don't you understand that that in itself, makes it a good bet?

If you want to argue that people put too much money into their tickets, that's fine. But the payout, however pissant you may think it is, was significantly larger than it would've been on any other Saturday or at any other track for the same string of winning horses.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:12 PM
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It may have been posted but I missed. How many times did Twinspires hit with their 100K?
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It may have been posted but I missed. How many times did Twinspires hit with their 100K?
A whopping two times.
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that was my whole point....it is a bad bet. if i'm going to bet 400 on picking 6 horse races....i better get more than 3-1. thats what my first post said. gee, i'm going to bet 800 to get 820..on some gimmick half the world is betting....you were right its over 5 times the parlay...but its a dime and your burning numbers and a ticket or two.....plus yesterdays paid 2236 a little more than three times the parlay...there were two 3 dollar horses friday and a 8-5...so all the hoopla was worth it i guess according to you. i would never bet thinking thats a great win...but whatever. i got 1600, like thousands of other people that split with a friend. its a freakin pic 6 for crying out loud....i can find better deals than your theory betting to win and place..on one race...the way i usually bet or exactas...that things called a rainbow for reason...its a lousy dime and you are chasing the rainbow not the split, thats the whole point....there were 100,000 live tickets after the 10th race(with 2 races left)....just like i said in my original post....yeah ,,,it was going to pay big balloons........lol. you guys think i'm bragging like i get rich at this.....i do not...i can lose 2000 as soon as win it. but i'm not going to risk 700 to get 3200 and pick 6 horse races unless i intend on hitting hit all. yup half the world was chasing 3,000 dollars....it was a real jackpot. the only number i care about is ROI....i bet week in ....week out . keep records every month and tally the year. its a grind and an investment, the bottom line is all that matters.....and how much i have to bet to get so much back if i win....that thing could of paid 100 times the parlay...for someone like me its still looks like you bet 400 to get 1600. do the tellers give bonuses for beating the parlay? where i come from you made 3-1...on a pic 6. a few days from now when i throw my money back in the pool its still only a lousy 1600 for a pic 6 with a pool of 5.7 million...i can bet 200 of that on ONE horse i like and maybe win more if i'm right. in under a minute and a half. thats the reality of betting all the time..... ROI...they site it all the time in the NYRA show but i guess in derby trail land it does not matter...you'll do real well betting every day hitting pic 6's that pay 1600.....and like i said that was at 10 freakin cents...which is the only reason i played the thing....bet a little get alot...i got kicked in the teeth friday ...i admitted it...i was taking a shot not getting cute with the parlay. derby trails theory having to hit 6 horse races and getting an 8 dollar mutuel is a big victory....i'll remember that one.
if $3 grand for a dime wasn't enough for you, why didn't you have it for $2?
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:59 PM
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how about $30,000 for todays dime P6
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if $3 grand for a dime wasn't enough for you, why didn't you have it for $2?
you guys don't even listen to what i say.....1. i'm not a pic 6 player. it was like the first time i actually tried to hit it...2. the only reason i did is because its a dime. those are side bets to me.3. i bet exactas, win, place and doubles and an occasional pic 3. i'm looking for ROI constantly...thats all that keeps alive...4. i was not going to risk alot on that "treasure hunt day"...twinspires put in 100,000 had it twice....great bet. 5. the only day day i blew a sum of money on it was friday...one shot...i had hit the split twice before and had the money set aside....just like i said BEFORE i played and lost. 6. it paid over 3 time the parlay the day i blew the money...even though i lost....you morons said friday was a dumb bet....it was 3 times the parlay. i asked a friend that is an expert on pic 6's and dime bets....quote....."what moron told you this was good...i charted it and it paid more than the parlay almost EVERY DAY....MANY TIMES AT MULTIPLES".... he told me that the split beat the parlay constantly. 7. because i bet win and place ....many times i don't decide a bet until i actually see the pay out...but if any of you bother to read what i say...i give you the faves that will lose constantly...i told you uncle mo was an absolute bet against and i was mocked...said the same about rachel at saratoga...you guys laughed at me...told you quality road would lose the whitney...who else could you bet besides blame??? if you bother listening to the show on sunday.....i've given the second most amount of winners on that show...the only guy better than me is some guy that e-mails in. every time i call ...they ask me who i like. besides that, people have told me i give more valubale info than the people on the show....strangers approach me and say this...people i don't even know......i laugh because you guys mock me...but i deserve it alot...because i'm arrogant and at times i'm an *******...you think i don't know this too????? but don't get me wrong on this.....I WILL PUT MY HANDICAPPING ABILITY AGAINST ANYONE.....i'm not afraid to be different....i know what i'm doing...its been 30 years in the making....if you knew me personally...you would think i'm the nicest guy....i'm a dead head...at the track ....i'm a chalk dusting *******,,,because thats how its played to make money.
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you guys don't even listen to what i say.....1. i'm not a pic 6 player. it was like the first time i actually tried to hit it...2. the only reason i did is because its a dime. those are side bets to me.3. i bet exactas, win, place and doubles and an occasional pic 3. i'm looking for ROI constantly...thats all that keeps alive...4. i was not going to risk alot on that "treasure hunt day"...twinspires put in 100,000 had it twice....great bet. 5. the only day day i blew a sum of money on it was friday...one shot...i had hit the split twice before and had the money set aside....just like i said BEFORE i played and lost. 6. it paid over 3 time the parlay the day i blew the money...even though i lost....you morons said friday was a dumb bet....it was 3 times the parlay. i asked a friend that is an expert on pic 6's and dime bets....quote....."what moron told you this was good...i charted it and it paid more than the parlay almost EVERY DAY....MANY TIMES AT MULTIPLES".... he told me that the split beat the parlay constantly. 7. because i bet win and place ....many times i don't decide a bet until i actually see the pay out...but if any of you bother to read what i say...i give you the faves that will lose constantly...i told you uncle mo was an absolute bet against and i was mocked...said the same about rachel at saratoga...you guys laughed at me...told you quality road would lose the whitney...who else could you bet besides blame??? if you bother listening to the show on sunday.....i've given the second most amount of winners on that show...the only guy better than me is some guy that e-mails in. every time i call ...they ask me who i like. besides that, people have told me i give more valubale info than the people on the show....strangers approach me and say this...people i don't even know......i laugh because you guys mock me...but i deserve it alot...because i'm arrogant and at times i'm an *******...you think i don't know this too????? but don't get me wrong on this.....I WILL PUT MY HANDICAPPING ABILITY AGAINST ANYONE.....i'm not afraid to be different....i know what i'm doing...its been 30 years in the making....if you knew me personally...you would think i'm the nicest guy....i'm a dead head...at the track ....i'm a chalk dusting *******,,,because thats how its played to make money.
Let's go then, Johnny Redboard. You and me. Loser leaves the board.
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Why are you stooping this this douchebag's level?
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I say do it ... we could use the excitement around here.
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you guys don't even listen to what i say.....1. i'm not a pic 6 player. it was like the first time i actually tried to hit it...2. the only reason i did is because its a dime. those are side bets to me.3. i bet exactas, win, place and doubles and an occasional pic 3. i'm looking for ROI constantly...thats all that keeps alive...4. i was not going to risk alot on that "treasure hunt day"...twinspires put in 100,000 had it twice....great bet. 5. the only day day i blew a sum of money on it was friday...one shot...i had hit the split twice before and had the money set aside....just like i said BEFORE i played and lost. 6. it paid over 3 time the parlay the day i blew the money...even though i lost....you morons said friday was a dumb bet....it was 3 times the parlay. i asked a friend that is an expert on pic 6's and dime bets....quote....."what moron told you this was good...i charted it and it paid more than the parlay almost EVERY DAY....MANY TIMES AT MULTIPLES".... he told me that the split beat the parlay constantly. 7. because i bet win and place ....many times i don't decide a bet until i actually see the pay out...but if any of you bother to read what i say...i give you the faves that will lose constantly...i told you uncle mo was an absolute bet against and i was mocked...said the same about rachel at saratoga...you guys laughed at me...told you quality road would lose the whitney...who else could you bet besides blame??? if you bother listening to the show on sunday.....i've given the second most amount of winners on that show...the only guy better than me is some guy that e-mails in. every time i call ...they ask me who i like. besides that, people have told me i give more valubale info than the people on the show....strangers approach me and say this...people i don't even know......i laugh because you guys mock me...but i deserve it alot...because i'm arrogant and at times i'm an *******...you think i don't know this too????? but don't get me wrong on this.....I WILL PUT MY HANDICAPPING ABILITY AGAINST ANYONE.....i'm not afraid to be different....i know what i'm doing...its been 30 years in the making....if you knew me personally...you would think i'm the nicest guy....i'm a dead head...at the track ....i'm a chalk dusting *******,,,because thats how its played to make money.
If you're not a pick 6 player then why are you arguing something you don't know about?? There are a lot of pick 6 players on this board, me included, that know the intracacies of the bet. Also, your friend is wrong. I reviewed the last month of results (since the jackpot has been $750k+.) The parlay value on Saturday was 5.12. There was only one day that was higher, 4/7, at 5.12 as well. The average parlay multiplier was 3.01. The majority of the days paid less than 3.0x, including similar price days that paid 1.85x, 1.22x, 2.44x, and 2.67x. In essence, Saturday's payout was 2-3 times what it should have been. THAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND PLAYING THE BET THAT DAY. TWICE THE ROI THAN EXPECTATION. Friday's, in comparison, was 2.67x- very close to the median. But since you are a PhD candidate, that explanation probably doesn't make sense.
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