Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Repubs trying to union bust so they can control voter turnout and financial contributions to 2012 election.

This is an unusual take. So you are saying that if the unions are effectively busted then the former members wont vote or contribute in the 2012 elections?

http://blogs.the-american-interest.c...madison-blues/

[Cannon Shell]

Unions are great for people in unions and terrible for everyone and everything else. In 1915 they were essential. Now for the most part they are just a drain on the rest of us.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions are great for people in unions and terrible for everyone and everything else. In 1915 they were essential. Now for the most part they are just a drain on the rest of us.

i dont agree with public servants having a union. police, fire, health, and teachers have no business ever striking, or ever putting the public they serve in danger-or in a teachers case, uneducated.
teachers make damn good money for the hours they work, they have great vacation, sick days, time off, and great bennies. all for working less than six months out of the year. where do i sign up??

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i dont agree with public servants having a union. police, fire, health, and teachers have no business ever striking, or ever putting the public they serve in danger-or in a teachers case, uneducated.
teachers make damn good money for the hours they work, they have great vacation, sick days, time off, and great bennies. all for working less than six months out of the year. where do i sign up??

I had a roommate who was a teacher in the public school system. She worked from 7AM every morning (she left for work at 6:30) until about 11PM at night (when she got home she went straight to grading papers and preparing lessons). Between end-of-year stuff and preparing for the upcoming year, she only had about one month where I'd say she wasn't working. Great gig.

[Danzig]

i worked for several years at the schools here. they passed block scheduling a few years ago. the teachers teach three classes a day at 1 1/2 hours per class. it is a sweet gig. 178 days a year with kids in front of you. wknds, holidays, more vacation time than any other profession. yep, it's rough.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I had a roommate who was a teacher in the public school system. She worked from 7AM every morning (she left for work at 6:30) until about 11PM at night (when she got home she went straight to grading papers and preparing lessons). Between end-of-year stuff and preparing for the upcoming year, she only had about one month where I'd say she wasn't working. Great gig.

Schools get out at 2-3 in the afternoon. You want us to believe your friend willingly worked 8 extra hours a day AFTER classes? What did she teach? Nuclear physics?

[AeWingnut]

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

[Danzig]

tony was just flipping channels. landed on international house hunters. lo and behold, a cali schoolteacher looking to buy a second home in italy. her quote-i have tons of time off...

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

See what the guy chanting "Zenyatta" at Del Mar has spawned.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

All the objective measurements seem to agree with the 2 word vocabulary guy. Fox News viewers are the least factually-educated about news events.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Schools get out at 2-3 in the afternoon. You want us to believe your friend willingly worked 8 extra hours a day AFTER classes? What did she teach? Nuclear physics?

or sex ed

[Danzig]

interesting article, on the stimulus, state govts, wisconsin, etc


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41650031/ns/politics/

[The Bart]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Schools get out at 2-3 in the afternoon. You want us to believe your friend willingly worked 8 extra hours a day AFTER classes? What did she teach? Nuclear physics?

This was back in the '60s or '70s, when teachers TAUGHT the and the students LEARNED, not the 21st century, where teachers don't teach SH#T!!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions are great for people in unions and terrible for everyone and everything else. In 1915 they were essential. Now for the most part they are just a drain on the rest of us.

I disagree. They are great if you are part of the leadership, the corruption. My union was trying to screw our group out of our positions and the company refused to go along with it.

Never mind voting - that is an absolute joke. It's a lot like Cook county
find out how many you need before you count them.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is an unusual take. So you are saying that if the unions are effectively busted then the former members wont vote or contribute in the 2012 elections?

the leadership doesn't represent the membership.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
Repubs trying to union bust so they can control voter turnout and financial contributions to 2012 election

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is an unusual take. So you are saying that if the unions are effectively busted then the former members wont vote or contribute in the 2012 elections?

It's a pretty common idea, considering all the GOP Governors came out of their annual conference with the order to do it. Watch what every other GOP Governor is doing. It's the cover of deficit (deficits are real) but it's union-busting plain and clear.

With the Citizen's United ruling, private citizen contributions hardly matter any more. Who controls the money has a huge influence over elections.

Of the top ten political contributors, 7 are corporate Republican, and 3 are corporate Democratic. The 3 Democratic ones are the unions these GOP governors are trying to break up. Everyone knows unions historically vote and support Democratic.

Break up the unions, break up dues paying, get the money out of the hands of the unions, unions cannot contribute to candidates, the GOP financially controls the elections with no opposition.

Witness the Koch brothers financing and bussing in their Tea Party to counter-demonstrate.

Walker clearly isn't interested in the budget deficit here - the union has said it will gladly give up benefits, has no problem with Walker's desires if Walker will talk to them, negotiate and maintain collective bargaining rights.

Walker has completely refused. It's all about union busting. Not budget.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

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It's a pretty common idea, considering all the GOP Governors came out of their annual conference with the order to do it. Watch what every other GOP Governor is doing. It's the cover of deficit (deficits are real) but it's union-busting plain and clear.

With the Citizen's United ruling, private citizen contributions hardly matter any more. Who controls the money has a huge influence over elections.

Of the top ten political contributors, 7 are corporate Republican, and 3 are corporate Democratic. The 3 Democratic ones are the unions these GOP governors are trying to break up. Everyone knows unions historically vote and support Democratic.

Break up the unions, break up dues paying, get the money out of the hands of the unions, unions cannot contribute to candidates, the GOP financially controls the elections with no opposition.

Witness the Koch brothers financing and bussing in their Tea Party to counter-demonstrate.

Walker clearly isn't interested in the budget deficit here - the union has said it will gladly give up benefits, has no problem with Walker's desires if Walker will talk to them, negotiate and maintain collective bargaining rights.

Walker has completely refused. It's all about union busting. Not budget.

Yeah it is an elaborate ruse. It is hardly a secret that unions are not GOP friendly but that doesn't mean that this isn't chiefly about the budget deficit. Killing the unions is just a nice little party gift.

And the idea that the unions financial contributions somehow "balance" the playing field is laughable.

[Riot]

It's no "elaborate ruse", it's well know and publicly stated. It's what the Republican Governors Association (heavily funded by the Koch brothers) have stated since their last annual meeting what their goals are for this election period. Look at Chris Christie, and Ohio.

Union busting - taking away collective bargaining rights - doesn't affect the budget at all. Zero.

The Republicans far outweigh the Democrats in corporate election sponsorship. Out of the top ten corporate political contributors in 2008 - 2010, 7 are Republican, and 3 were Democratic. Those 3 were unions.

And most realize that with the Citizens United ruling passing, it's only corporate campaign spending that matters now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Republicans far outweigh the Democrats in corporate election sponsorship. Out of the top ten corporate political contributors in 2008 - 2010, 7 are Republican, and 3 were Democratic. Those 3 were unions.

And most realize that with the Citizens United ruling passing, it's only corporate campaign spending that matters now.

I guess the Democrats better be a little more business friendly