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[slotdirt]

Travis, I don't care how long people have been "ranking" these horses, the fact that Barbaro and Zenyatta are working their way towards the top 10 and Count Fleet is mired in the 80's, not to mention I still can't find Twilight Tear anywhere, says pretty much all I need to know about the average idiot who votes on online polls.

[randallscott35]

Opinions are like a.ssholes....

[Dahoss]

The idea is a good one....but this poll is a great example of why fans should never be allowed to vote on anything relating to horse racing.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The idea is a good one....but this poll is a great example of why fans should never be allowed to vote on anything relating to horse racing.

When the HOTY was coming-up... we had donks voting Blame a "1" and then two seconds later making Zenyatta a "10" ... very annoying.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The idea is a good one....but this poll is a great example of why fans should never be allowed to vote on anything relating to horse racing.

Like Eclipse awards? The writers do such a good job already.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Travis, I don't care how long people have been "ranking" these horses, the fact that Barbaro and Zenyatta are working their way towards the top 10 and Count Fleet is mired in the 80's, not to mention I still can't find Twilight Tear anywhere, says pretty much all I need to know about the average idiot who votes on online polls.

Feel free to log on and vote... it's a process. The rankings are sent through a statistical formula to help regulate those who received loads of votes versus those who didn't... much like the Top 250 on IMDB. So since it's early in the voting (very early, some horses don't even have a vote), it'll take a while to get everything in somewhat logical order.

We're not finding horses for the Hall of Fame with this list, we created something new and hopefully ultimately pretty cool for horse racing fans to enjoy the sport more now and into the future.

[Sightseek]

I love the comment that Smarty's stud fee will go way up if Backtalk wins the Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Feel free to log on and vote... it's a process. The rankings are sent through a statistical formula to help regulate those who received loads of votes versus those who didn't... much like the Top 250 on IMDB. So since it's early in the voting (very early, some horses don't even have a vote), it'll take a while to get everything in somewhat logical order.

We're not finding horses for the Hall of Fame with this list, we created something new and hopefully ultimately pretty cool for horse racing fans to enjoy the sport more now and into the future.

In the case of an IMDB Top 250 - people have a lot better access to viewing movies than they do access to the needed information and material to make any kind of educated guess on the rating of horses from different generations.

It's much easier for a fan of movies to critique Lawrence of Arabia than it is for a fan of racing to critique Tom Fool.

It is a neat concept. I realize it's probably too much work to do a page write-up on the thousand or so most worthy horses - however, why not use that box on the right to put in your sites own brief comment? Why rely on dopey readers to put down moronic garbage?

If I ever stumble across this IMDB Top 250 thing you talk about - I'd rate 'I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell' and 'Trailor Park Boys' the two greatest movies of all-time ... because, in my opinion, they are.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

t is a neat concept. I realize it's probably too much work to do a page write-up on the thousand or so most worthy horses - however, why not use that box on the right to put in your sites own brief comment? Why rely on dopey readers to put down moronic garbage?

This is a good point... I'll bring it up with the others. Thanks!

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If I ever stumble across this IMDB Top 250 thing you talk about - I'd rate 'I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell' and 'Trailor Park Boys' the two greatest movies of all-time ... because, in my opinion, they are.

Your vote won't sway anything, but feel free to vote your conscience. They weight things so people can't go in there, say "OMG, Dude Where's My Car is the best film ever!! It's totally a 10 !!11!1!" and change the point average. You'd have to rank a lot of movies without lowballing a bunch of high-ranked classics or 10'ing a bunch of stinkers as previously ranked by frequent-voters.

Here's the list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top Some of the more recent movies get a bunch of fanboy ratings at once, then they start drifting down where they belong. I doubt Inception will always be above Casablanca or Black Swan above Lawrence of Arabia, for instance.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Travis, I don't care how long people have been "ranking" these horses, the fact that Barbaro and Zenyatta are working their way towards the top 10 and Count Fleet is mired in the 80's, not to mention I still can't find Twilight Tear anywhere, says pretty much all I need to know about the average idiot who votes on online polls.

She's 61.

Coaltown is 256, Ouija Board is 208, Hail to Reason at 112. Sunline is 272 and Makybe Diva isn't there at all.

I couldn't find Pride but I punched in Pepper's Pride just to see...

#160.

(There's a search thing and these are a few of the names I was curious about as far as "rankings").

I understand what both Travis and FG Fan are saying.

You mention the average idiot who spends times with online polls and yeah I would think it's the newer fans who have voted thus far but really... is it such a tragedy?

The newer fans... how are they supposed to learn about the past if they're not exposed to thing like names, replays, etc?

It's pretty silly, it's not like I don't agree, but then in a way it's like maybe we don't need to be so smug.

Some of these people are the future players or some of them might be the future players.

You're not born knowing all these names, right?

If they're spending a little part of their day doing stuff like voting for Zenyatta then at least they're showing a continued interest.

Sorry - just trying to find or see the positive side of this.

I remember having to ask what pp's were, what distaff meant and why there were so many different races at the Breeders Cup.

I will never forget how no one laughed at me. Not ever.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

She's 61.

Now she's 52... these things won't settle down and will update by the minute until we have lots of votes at which point we should hopefully be somewhat closer to reality and it'll be harder for horses to make sudden moves.

[Linny]

I think that the book Champions should be required reading for new fans of the game. All I ask for is perspective.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Now she's 52... these things won't settle down and will update by the minute until we have lots of votes at which point we should hopefully be somewhat closer to reality and it'll be harder for horses to make sudden moves.

All of the females in the top 100 - even including Twilight Tear - are seriously overrated.

Ruffian as the 5th best horse of all-time is simply nonsense.
Zenyatta as the 14th best horse of all-time is lunacy.
Personal Ensign is very overrated at #16.
Miesque - Great turf miler - no business at #18.
Goldikova - Great turf miler - simply too high at #32
Gamely is way too high at #33
Susan's Girl is way too high at #34
Lady's Secret way too high at #36
And there are about a dozen more.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

All of the females in the top 100 - even including Twilight Tear - are seriously overrated.

Ruffian as the 5th best horse of all-time is simply nonsense.
Zenyatta as the 14th best horse of all-time is lunacy.
Personal Ensign is very overrated at #16.
Miesque - Great turf miler - no business at #18.
Goldikova - Great turf miler - simply too high at #32
Gamely is way too high at #33
Susan's Girl is way too high at #34
Lady's Secret way too high at #36
And there are about a dozen more.

Do you disagree with Blood-Horses Top 100?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Do you disagree with Blood-Horses Top 100?

Of course I disagree with a lot of the rankings on that list - but it was still a very respectable list.

[VOL JACK]

Any list that doesn't have Jazil, Pioneer of the Nile and, Zenyatta on the podium; is simply laughable....

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

All of the females in the top 100 - even including Twilight Tear - are seriously overrated.

Ruffian as the 5th best horse of all-time is simply nonsense.
Zenyatta as the 14th best horse of all-time is lunacy.
Personal Ensign is very overrated at #16.
Miesque - Great turf miler - no business at #18.
Goldikova - Great turf miler - simply too high at #32
Gamely is way too high at #33
Susan's Girl is way too high at #34
Lady's Secret way too high at #36
And there are about a dozen more.

Sexist...I think most of them are too high, but what else would you have Miesque or Goldlikova do to move up? They stacked up G1 in open company and multi BC wins. I read that Goldlikova has beaten 60+ G1 winners (males and females) in her career, so I would argue she is too low unless you just want to discount her because of proficiency in specific surface and distance. There aren't very many multi surface champs out there, and I'd argue that Goldlikova could win Grade 1's at a little more distance if given a shot.

[slotdirt]

I think Twilight Tear definitely deserves to be in the top 100. Same with Busher and perhaps Galorrette among fillies of that era. 52 might be a little high though, that is true.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Seattle Slew at #2 and A. P. Indy at #22 are wildly overrated.

I'm not sure A. P. Indy belongs in the top 100. In fact, lets be honest, he doesn't.

The success both horses had as stallions is being factored in to the ratings.