The envelope, please

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

Overrated Horse -- Zenyatta -- Went up against 1 solid field all year and lost.

Underrated Horse -- Goldikova -- The BEST horse we have seen in a long time and she does not get the limelight and media that she deserves on this side of the pond.

Overrated Jockey -- Ramon Dominguez -- Rides a lot fo good horses in NY, but does not do much in the big ones

Underrated Jockey -- Calvin Borel -- Obviously rides big on the biggest stages. He would never be mentioned in any conversation regarding best jockeys

Is this Gales? If not are you a member of that PBKC?

[munster705]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Is this Gales? If not are you a member of that PBKC?

I don't know what you are talking about....just a horse racing fan with an opinion

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

I don't know what you are talking about....just a horse racing fan with an opinion

There is someone else on this board (who has actually been absent for a while) who seems to have a personal grudge with Ramon. Any time Ramon gives a poor ride, he is here huffing and puffing about him being over rated. Then he goes on a rampage about the lack of wins that Ramon has on big days.

I think the guy is very talented. Obviously he gets good mounts in NY and that helps. But what about some of the bad mounts that he seems to get in many of the big races and then gets ragged on for not winning with them?

[munster705]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

There is someone else on this board (who has actually been absent for a while) who seems to have a personal grudge with Ramon. Any time Ramon gives a poor ride, he is here huffing and puffing about him being over rated. Then he goes on a rampage about the lack of wins that Ramon has on big days.

I think the guy is very talented. Obviously he gets good mounts in NY and that helps. But what about some of the bad mounts that he seems to get in many of the big races and then gets ragged on for not winning with them?

I think he is good too, but I feel that he should have better finishes on the biggest days to be truely great. He kills NY racing because the fields are weak and he gets a ton a good mounts, kind of like Russell Baze on the west coast. I just think he needs to win a Derby or on Breeder's Cup days more often to be one of the greats

[Dahoss]

I actually think Dominguez is underrated. He schools a pretty good colony in NY on a daily basis.

Borel is the most overrated jockey I have seen in a while.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by munster705

I think he is good too, but I feel that he should have better finishes on the biggest days to be truely great. He kills NY racing because the fields are weak and he gets a ton a good mounts, kind of like Russell Baze on the west coast. I just think he needs to win a Derby or on Breeder's Cup days more often to be one of the greats

What about Belmont and Saratoga?

I just think it's silly to say that a guy who has won numerous and consecutive riding titles on arguably the most competitve circuit in the country needs to win a Derby (or another big race) to justify him being a great rider. So all the other races he's won during the year mean nothing because he didn't win one of approximately fifteen other races that he was entered in? Seems a bit ridiculous.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

What about Belmont and Saratoga?

I just think it's silly to say that a guy who has won numerous and consecutive riding titles on arguably the most competitve circuit in the country needs to win a Derby (or another big race) to justify him being a great rider. So all the other races he's won during the year mean nothing because he didn't win one of approximately fifteen other races that he was entered in? Seems a bit ridiculous.

You mean the Russell Baze comparison wasn't a good example?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You mean the Russell Baze comparison wasn't a good example?

He's obviously done much more on big stages than Baze, but I can see where the comparison comes from with him staying in NY all winter getting just about every live mount rather than going to Gulfstream to ride against real competition.