The envelope, please
 

Who, in your opinion, wins the award for...

Most overrated horse of the year?

Underrated?

Most overrated jock of the year?

Underrated?

Deja Vu !
I think the first criteria is who is doing the rating.
So depending on who is rating the horse to begin with the answer will vary.
To play it safe I'll say Zenyatta is both the most over rated and under rated horse.

you know what?


you are right, i agree!

How the flying hell is Zenyatta underrated? And don't give me the straw man argument that people who don't worship her totally always say that she sucks and she's a rat and a big doodiehead.

Overrated horse - Quality Road, honorable mention Sidney's Candy
Underrated horse - Majesticperfection
Overrated jockey - Jose Lezcano/Calvin Borel outside of CD
Underrated - Joel Rosario

This is a pretty horrible list. Quality Road had the best year of any older male in the country other then Blame. A nose seperated them at Toga. Sidneys Candy was 5-1 in his BC race and was a total freak today. He is the goods, not sure who made him out to be that much better then he is.
Who said Lezcano was good? Borel won the Derby. Saying outside of CD is not fair, its his home track, he has made a career there.
Majesticperfection is the best sprinter we had and still could win the Eclipse. He has been hurt for 6 months, why should anyone talk about him now? I dont think many people would say Big Drama is better then him, because he is not. MP was the best sprinter this year hands down, and I have not heard read much different. I have never heard anyone say he stinks or talk him down. Rosario is the best jockey in California, who in the past few years has said other?

Okay that was actually a good one.

Ummm... NTamm is the only one who answered the questions!

Fair enough. I just meant he answered them without putting his own spin on them... straighforward.

Alright though, you answered too. No need to act like a prima donna.

Well considering I'm a dimwit? Yes, it figures.

Therefore he's not overrated. Well done.

Overrated Horse -- Zenyatta -- Went up against 1 solid field all year and lost.

Underrated Horse -- Goldikova -- The BEST horse we have seen in a long time and she does not get the limelight and media that she deserves on this side of the pond.

Overrated Jockey -- Ramon Dominguez -- Rides a lot fo good horses in NY, but does not do much in the big ones

Underrated Jockey -- Calvin Borel -- Obviously rides big on the biggest stages. He would never be mentioned in any conversation regarding best jockeys

Is this Gales? If not are you a member of that PBKC?

I don't know what you are talking about....just a horse racing fan with an opinion

There is someone else on this board (who has actually been absent for a while) who seems to have a personal grudge with Ramon. Any time Ramon gives a poor ride, he is here huffing and puffing about him being over rated. Then he goes on a rampage about the lack of wins that Ramon has on big days.

I think the guy is very talented. Obviously he gets good mounts in NY and that helps. But what about some of the bad mounts that he seems to get in many of the big races and then gets ragged on for not winning with them?