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Old 10-19-2010, 09:14 PM
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She hasn't defeated a grade 1 winner in any of her races this year. So in her last 5 races she hasn't faced another horse that has won a grade 1.

Doesn't that shed a little bit of light on the quality of horses she is beating? They can call it a grade whatever, the competition still sucks.
How many graded winners total has she run against this year?
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:46 PM
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How many graded winners total has she run against this year?
Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:56 PM
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Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09

Should be 11, where was everyones super horse at Oaklawn?
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:09 PM
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Should be 11, where was everyones super horse at Oaklawn?
How many times does someone have to explain it before it sinks in?
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:12 PM
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How many times does someone have to explain it before it sinks in?

There is nothing at all to explain, NOTHING. They set this big race up. They both had soft soft preps, they were both odds on. Z ROLLS, AND SHOWS UP. Rachel gets beat, and backs out. Thats not Z or the connections fault. Even a Z hater should admit this as factual.
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There is nothing at all to explain, NOTHING. They set this big race up. They both had soft soft preps, they were both odds on. Z ROLLS, AND SHOWS UP. Rachel gets beat, and backs out. Thats not Z or the connections fault. Even a Z hater should admit this as factual.
If only it were this simple.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:25 PM
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If only it were this simple.
It is, I can admit Z campaign sucks. Yea she should have shipped this year and last. But the specific Oaklawn issue is plain and simple.
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Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09
Just out of curiosity who are the grade 1 winners that raced this year other than Zenyatta in socal? Where are these grade 1 winners going to come from to populate the races?
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Just out of curiosity who are the grade 1 winners that raced this year other than Zenyatta in socal? Where are these grade 1 winners going to come from to populate the races?
The answer to your first question has been discussed already. None in socal. For all of the talk about how great it was she shipped to Oaklawn, when you look at the field, not so much.

Where are they going to come from? They aren't going to run in California. But they were at Churchill, Keeneland, Belmont and Saratoga. The best don't wait for others to come to them...they seek out the best.
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The answer to your first question has been discussed already. None in socal. For all of the talk about how great it was she shipped to Oaklawn, when you look at the field, not so much.

Where are they going to come from? They aren't going to run in California. But they were at Churchill, Keeneland, Belmont and Saratoga. The best don't wait for others to come to them...they seek out the best.
you got the wrong sport for that
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you got the wrong sport for that
The connections of Goldikova, Gio Ponti and Blind Luck disagree.
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Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09
When you show it like this, the schedule becomes even more deplorable.
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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:26 PM
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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:30 PM
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What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?
Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.
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Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.
You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.
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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
Reading some of the comments here, I'll offer 3:2 odds to anyone that thinks she will win. Sounds a lot fairer than your offer.
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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?
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Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?
PM me if he/she won't offer.
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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
You are missing the point.
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