Jeter A Jerk?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

No. What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.) All these examples mentioned are mainly people playing the game, and accepting the results of the umps. That's not what took place here. Jeter went to Broadway in front of a National Audience. Hour and a half later, he admitted that the ball never even hit him. Admitted he had put on a deceitful display in order to try to win the wrong way.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.)

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

[MaTH716]

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts.

A-ZATLY

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

It was an error on the umpires part. Jeter didn't obscure the umps vision and there are 3 other umps on the field that can be consulted with. Not to mention that it sounded like the ball hit wood, not a person. The umps blew it, period. The "people are in an uproar" will soon go back to ignoring baseball unless there is something to hate on. I prefer to call out a guy for cheating when he actually breaks a rule.

We now live in a world where the best basketball player is hated because he has a large ego, one of the top football players is disliked because he does a lot of commercials and now one of the best baseball players is disliked because he tricked an umpire? And this is progress....

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was an error on the umpires part. Jeter didn't obscure the umps vision and there are 3 other umps on the field that can be consulted with. Not to mention that it sounded like the ball hit wood, not a person. The umps blew it, period. The "people are in an uproar" will soon go back to ignoring baseball unless there is something to hate on. I prefer to call out a guy for cheating when he actually breaks a rule.

We now live in a world where the best basketball player is hated because he has a large ego, one of the top football players is disliked because he does a lot of commercials and now one of the best baseball players is disliked because he tricked an umpire? And this is progress....

I think the people are in an uproar more because of who did it, than the actual act itself. Like I said before, the guy who did it has been a put on a pedestal his whole career for the way he plays the game (almost to a holy level) and now he overacted his way onto first base. If it was anybody else (maybe except A-Rod), this would have been a non story that would have been forgotten now. But since it was a guy who has been a boyscout his whole career, the thing has been blown way out of proportion.
Bottom line, it was just another blown/bad call but the umps.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Bottom line, it was just another blown/bad call but the umps.

Listen to that sound. If they couldn't get that right, then that's it. Time to have each manager get a certain limited number of reviews each game. Let them get away with butchering balls n' strikes. Everything else should be reviewable. Whether a pitch hit the bat (or the batter) should be reviewable. Whether somebody went around (or not) can be kept botch-friendly (for the purists.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was an error on the umpires part. Jeter didn't obscure the umps vision and there are 3 other umps on the field that can be consulted with. Not to mention that it sounded like the ball hit wood, not a person. The umps blew it, period. The "people are in an uproar" will soon go back to ignoring baseball unless there is something to hate on. I prefer to call out a guy for cheating when he actually breaks a rule.

We now live in a world where the best basketball player is hated because he has a large ego, one of the top football players is disliked because he does a lot of commercials and now one of the best baseball players is disliked because he tricked an umpire? And this is progress....

not sure what ball player you're talking about-if it's ocho, i defend him all the time. i think he has talent and backs it up.
sorry, i think if the ump called it wrong, you'd be right about it, and i wouldn't be fussing about it. but the b movie acting by jeter was over the top.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not sure what ball player you're talking about-if it's ocho, i defend him all the time. i think he has talent and backs it up.
sorry, i think if the ump called it wrong, you'd be right about it, and i wouldn't be fussing about it. but the b movie acting by jeter was over the top.

Payton Manning, I have never seen Ochocinco do a commercial.

If you can trick an umpire into giving you a base at that point of a game under those circumstances I think any player doing it would be doing the right thing. Like he said it is his job to get on base which he did. How the ump didnt hear the ball hit the bat or take into consideration how far the ball traveled after supposedly hitting Jeter is beyond me. There are three other umps who are supposed to be watching the play and they all missed it too. This moral bs that Scus is preaching is a load of crap. Jeter is trying to win games, he gets paid a lot of money to do so. He didn't break or even bend a rule. No one got hurt, really.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

LOL......Trainer came out, cuz he's acting like he busted his hand. No, FURCAL wouldn't do it for this club.. Don't have to worry about that. They get awfully timid when they join this organization. This organization has become the opposite of win at all costs. Look at Hershaw. She's brilliant when the season's a total loss. When the chips are on the table, she was no match for Oswalt, and the Phils. Owner has always seemed more interested in Cancer Charities than winning. I guess I can't be surprised that they're wimps.