Crist: The great distaffers..

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

I consider classic distance runners inherently superior to sprinters and strict milers, Indian boy.

If this Goldilocks is so great, why didn't they stick her in the BCC (or the BCT) last year?

Not surprisingly, both of those contests have significantly higher purses than the BCM.

I'm just going to go ahead and go out on a limb here, but I'm guessing - just guessing - that she was in the Mile because she's a...miler. Crazy but true.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Nice try. I read your initial response to me when you first posted it. I said your point about waiting for Zenyatta to retire was "well taken". However, you made your point with respect to comparing her to Personal Ensign in any fashion. In my mind, that meant you didn't want to compare the two anymore. Sorry. I didn't silence you, you silenced yourself.

Now you try to re-attach your retirement cop-out to only part of my post, the "ennui" comment. Ok. I'll bite. I'm not sure how you can get around the monotony of Zenyatta's campaign. It's not like one big race at the end erases the meek spotting the rest of the year.

To be fair, I based my comment on the belief that the Clement Hirsch will be next. Maybe we'll see a bumrush at the end instead with the Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, and BC Classic. Or the Hollywood Gold Cup, Pacific Classic, BC Classic.

I won't hold my breath.

I have no idea what you are babbling about now, infact I give up. I gave you 2 follow up responses which I didn't have to, but I thought hey why not try to converse with a fellow poster. I now realize it was a waste of my time. Instead of reiterating them again, do me a favor, if someone has an opinion not similar to yours, cut the crap and accept it. Conversations with you tend to branch out in all accusatory directions. So f*ck them and you.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Hang in there, bro

If Z can somehow, someway manage to take the BCC again this year, gunna need your help delivering all these servings of crow...

I'll have my shovel ready.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

If this Goldilocks is so great, why didn't they stick her in the BCC (or the BCT) last year?

The connections have no imagination, they refuse to challenge her..

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

The connections have no imagination, they refuse to challenge her..

so far this year has been a very uninspiring campaign.

[slotdirt]

Why am I completely unsurprised that someone so adept at digging himself into a hole is already prepared with a shovel? Presumably to serve heaps of crow?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

The connections have no imagination, they refuse to challenge her..

If she goes in the BC Classic, would we not all agree here this is somewhat a challenge?

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by CSC

If she goes in the BC Classic, would we not all agree here this is somewhat a challenge?

I wasn't serious.. She routinely faces males and travels all over, I think she's been challenged plenty.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

I wasn't serious.. She routinely faces males and travels all over, I think she's been challenged plenty.

That is the question all fans want answered, even Zenyatta's fans would say this. I wish she ran in the Foster but didn't so we are left with a fall campaign that may end at Belmont/CD. If so, it will answer some final questions, right?

[slotdirt]

I still don't get it. Given that the undefeated record and HOY are the obvious goals for Zenyatta, why would she run on dirt again? Nobody has quite explained that to me aside from saying that John Sherrifs says it so it must be true.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by CSC

That is the question all fans want answered, even Zenyatta's fans would say this. I wish she ran in the Foster but didn't so we are left with a fall campaign that may end at Belmont/CD. If so, it will answer some final questions, right?

I hope so, a Belmont/CD ending would be great. I have nothing against Zenyatta at all, I'm a fan, I enjoy seeing her run..

I just thought the poster bashing Goldikova was way out of line..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

i said banshree breeze was a better horse. she was clearly the more consistent horse and accomlished a hell of a lot more on track than keeper hill. however, when they met on the racetrack, for whatever cicumstances there wasnt a lot separating them. and at keeper hill's best, she could beat banshhe breeze and did, twice. that is what i am saying, which leads me to think banshee breeze would have little to no shot vs zenyatta or rachel alexandra.

Banshee Breeze had two near-miss 2nds in the BC Distaff .. and a near-miss 2nd in the KY Oaks where, whatever you want to say about the ride she got, she just gave one away ... I certainly think if she closed the deal in those 3 races she'd be on everyones list of great females.

I've watched and analyzed Zenyatta's two Apple Blossom wins as carefully as I can ... and for the life of me I can't find ANYTHING about those two races to suggest a horse like Banshee Breeze would have little to no shot against her on dirt. Based on those two races - I'm of the oppposite opinion if anything.

Rachel Alexandra was obviously a better 3yo than BB - but I don't see anything about her 4yo form to suggest Banshee Breeze had no chance.

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm still reeling from the unfair smackdown to the mighty Swan.

Hey Andy, comment not meant to be a putdown on King's Swan. He was a neat horse and they don't make them like that anymore. 107 lifetime starts and he was first or second in fifty of those, winning Graded Stakes from six furlongs to 1 1/8 miles.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by rgustafson

Hey Andy, comment not meant to be a putdown on King's Swan. He was a neat horse and they don't make them like that anymore. 107 lifetime starts and he was first or second in fifty of those, winning Graded Stakes from six furlongs to 1 1/8 miles.

I know....I was just joking around.

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Gulch was defeated by Java Gold, Polish Navy, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Cutlass Reality, Alysheba, Bet Twice, and Personal Ensign. If I have my facts right, those are the only horses to beat him at 9f (at least in the 7 9f races I came up with).

I think it's pretty lofty company.

Agreed, as I said top company and I meant it. Just didn't list them.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Hang in there, bro

If Z can somehow, someway manage to take the BCC again this year, gunna need your help delivering all these servings of crow...

Crow for what, exactly? Show me all the people who are saying "Zenyatta sucks and can't win the BCC."

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've watched and analyzed Zenyatta's two Apple Blossom wins as carefully as I can ... and for the life of me I can't find ANYTHING about those two races to suggest a horse like Banshee Breeze would have little to no shot against her on dirt. Based on those two races - I'm of the oppposite opinion if anything.

IMO Zenyatta is not a horse you can measure with speed figs or final times as in other horses, who knows maybe all that are in her corner are totally wrong about her, we've been hoodwinked by the campaign and Sheriff's great placement of 17 times in her career. If this BC is to be contested by Quality Road and Rachel Alexandra on dirt she will be forced to run fast from a beyer perspective to win, if she does this will answer some of the questions people have for her and if she does it may once and for all put an end to this discussion. If she succeeds what knock is there left?

[slotdirt]

I think we can all agree that if she runs in the Breeders Cup, there are some serious dirt horses in there, and wins, that she'll have to be included in the conversation as one of the greater racemares of recent times.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm just going to go ahead and go out on a limb here, but I'm guessing - just guessing - that she was in the Mile because she's a...miler. Crazy but true.

Exactly, dirtslot

Not "bashing" Goldilocks … just happen to think that top classic distance runners (like Z) are superior to strict milers.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Exactly, dirtslot

Not "bashing" Goldilocks … just happen to think that top classic distance runners (like Z) are superior to strict milers.

I generally agree, and I would still take Goldikova over Zenyatta every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Her accomplishments dwarf Zenyatta's that heavily.