mccain's vp

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scuds it sounds like you think Z and I are rolling in the bucks and defending the wealthy. You make the whole poor v. rich thing sound like it is so simple. Bill Clinton knocked more people off of welfare than any other president. He put them to work, essentially made them work with a swift kick in the behind from a Rep. congress.
I am one of the silly people that think working and working hard, is a very rewarding experience if you do what you like. Even if you dont make much money. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. And we better wake up because the types of jobs that will be required to make enough money in this country to live in relative comfort require a brain that functions.

Sorry for the silly personal stuff that I wrote, but sometimes its required so you get an idea where a poster is coming from. Its embarassing but necessary.

I never take what you or Zig say all that seriously. I realize you are from Texas, and she is living in Arkansas. You're both gunna have neck thinking contamination(no matter what.) It just can't be helped.O.K. You're gunna laugh at that, but look at what you preach:

"You dont make stronger middle class through government redistribution of wealth. You make a stronger middle class by changing ideas."


I mean it's simply asanine for you to keep repeating something that's been disproved for so long now. What exactly do you think the progressive tax system is now doing for the middle class as compared to the rich? IT'S STRENGTHENING IT. You don't think it's redistributing wealth to charge a lower % income tax on the middle class than on the rich? It is, sir, and doing it will continue to strengthen the middle class. You couldn't afford to be a teacher if their wasn't redistribution of wealth. You think in a free market system (that you so boldly say works for everyone all the time) you would be able to get that pension? No. That's forced income redistribution. That's not the way people would act if left to their own greed. You would get no pension of any real quality. People are too cheap to pay teachers a decent pension. They are forced(by wealth redistribution) to pay teachers the salaries n' pensions they are paying them. You don't even realize that your benefiting from what you say doesn't work(wealth redistribution.) It's working for you. Teachers getting paid a reasonable salary and good pension is a very good example of wealth redistribution. You may not think it's much wealth, but it's a lot more than you would get in a free market situation. People don't choose to pay you that. They are mandated to pay you through taxes. That's wealth redistribution. If it was up to the free market, you would get maybe 3/4 what you get now, and you'd get a handshake out the door when you retire. That's it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I mean it's simply asanine for you to keep repeating something that's been disproved for so long now. What exactly do you think the progressive tax system is now doing for the middle class as compared to the rich? IT'S STRENGTHENING IT. You don't think it's redistributing wealth to charge a lower % income tax on the middle class than on the rich? It is, sir, and doing it will continue to strengthen the middle class. You couldn't afford to be a teacher if their wasn't redistribution of wealth. You think in a free market system (that you so boldly say works for everyone all the time) you would be able to get that pension? No. That's forced income redistribution. That's not the way people would act if left to their own greed. You would get no pension of any real quality. People are too cheap to pay teachers a decent pension. They are forced(by wealth redistribution) to pay teachers the salaries n' pensions they are paying them. You don't even realize that your benefiting from what you say doesn't work(wealth redistribution.) It's working for you. Teachers getting paid a reasonable salary and good pension is a very good example of wealth redistribution. You may not think it's much wealth, but it's a lot more than you would get in a free market situation. People don't choose to pay you that. They are mandated to pay you through taxes. That's wealth redistribution. If it was up to the free market, you would get maybe 3/4 what you get now, and you'd get a handshake out the door when you retire. That's it.

You have no idea how teachers in Texas are payed.
The statement you made is absolutely silly. The Federal
Gov. pays about 2% of my wages. I just got a 3% pay increase.
Its nothing.

Scuds, who do you think pays the vast majority of my salary?
You have no idea how teachers retirement plans in Texas work either.

So you tax the hell out of wealthy people and redistribute.
So where do you start now? What is wealthy? What % of their money
do you want redistributed since the current system does not work.
What will work. Give me your plan. 50% for millionaires...? what level do you
start and what %.

[geeker2]

SCUDS we maybe in trouble..GOP is reconsidering and may taking a stab at winning California.

I really don't want my head to explode...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

SCUDS we maybe in trouble..GOP is reconsidering and may taking a stab at winning California.

I really don't want my head to explode...

i read that one poll has them neck and neck, while another has mccain ten points ahead among likely voters. the gap is smaller among registered voters.

but the debates are still to come, so we'll see. i might watch those. far more entertaining than the conventions, i didn't watch any of either one. too much rah rahing for my taste. and the folks who dress up, what's up with that?!

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i read that one poll has them neck and neck, while another has mccain ten points ahead among likely voters. the gap is smaller among registered voters.

but the debates are still to come, so we'll see. i might watch those. far more entertaining than the conventions, i didn't watch any of either one. too much rah rahing for my taste. and the folks who dress up, what's up with that?!

If they had an all nude convention I'd watch

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

If they had an all nude convention I'd watch

even if barbara mikulski was there??

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

even if barbara mikulski was there??

Is she that porn star that starred in Blazing Zippers?

[Mortimer]

I'm falling in love with Dannie.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by geeker2

If they had an all nude convention I'd watch

The thought of the candidates in the nude makes me wish for GPK's "I just threw up in my mouth" icon.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

The thought of the candidates in the nude makes me wish for GPK's "I just threw up in my mouth" icon.

DOD....you and I can run the all nude campaign

GPK/DOD '08
"Nude and Crude"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I never take what you or Zig say all that seriously. I realize you are from Texas, and she is living in Arkansas. You're both gunna have neck thinking contamination(no matter what.) It just can't be helped.O.K. You're gunna laugh at that, but look at what you preach:

"You dont make stronger middle class through government redistribution of wealth. You make a stronger middle class by changing ideas."


I mean it's simply asanine for you to keep repeating something that's been disproved for so long now. What exactly do you think the progressive tax system is now doing for the middle class as compared to the rich? IT'S STRENGTHENING IT. You don't think it's redistributing wealth to charge a lower % income tax on the middle class than on the rich? It is, sir, and doing it will continue to strengthen the middle class. You couldn't afford to be a teacher if their wasn't redistribution of wealth. You think in a free market system (that you so boldly say works for everyone all the time) you would be able to get that pension? No. That's forced income redistribution. That's not the way people would act if left to their own greed. You would get no pension of any real quality. People are too cheap to pay teachers a decent pension. They are forced(by wealth redistribution) to pay teachers the salaries n' pensions they are paying them. You don't even realize that your benefiting from what you say doesn't work(wealth redistribution.) It's working for you. Teachers getting paid a reasonable salary and good pension is a very good example of wealth redistribution. You may not think it's much wealth, but it's a lot more than you would get in a free market situation. People don't choose to pay you that. They are mandated to pay you through taxes. That's wealth redistribution. If it was up to the free market, you would get maybe 3/4 what you get now, and you'd get a handshake out the door when you retire. That's it.

really? all that discussing further back, when we had common ground, none of that was serious? or is it only blown off when it varies with your take on things?
btw, how's medical doing lately? how much did your hospitals out there take it for again?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I never take what you or Zig say all that seriously. I realize you are from Texas, and she is living in Arkansas. You're both gunna have neck thinking contamination(no matter what.)

You are from the state of Ronald Reagan.
And Barbara Jordan, born and raised in Texas.

Jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz. The regional thing is getting old.

So we are infected by birth.
Just like Blacks and Mexicans.
Its just something Z and I cant help.
We were born stupid and miserly just like
blacks were born stupid and lazy. Thats it?
Yes?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You are from the state of Ronald Reagan.
And Barbara Jordan, born and raised in Texas.

Jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz. The regional thing is getting old.

So we are infected by birth.
Just like Blacks and Mexicans.
Its just something Z and I cant help.
We were born stupid and miserly just like
blacks were born stupid and lazy. Thats it?
Yes?

No, not at birth.You're up in arms about it, but you are both living in redneck states.You can't escape the backwards economic thinking that white trash have. Look at where that simple thinking white trash Jeff Kent made a beeline for when he went to make home for his family....TEXAS!! You have said repeatedly that it doesn't help the middle class if you redistribute the wealth. Well, we've been doing it a long time. It does strengthen the middleclass. If we didn't do it, you would just see rich and poor. You are all hot n' bothered about taxing your rich doctor friends. So, go the other way and get rid of the taxes on the middle class. That's who needs help in this country. The main reason we have all these problems for the middle class is the rich don't want to pay anybody much. So, they don't, and yet they want a civilized society (somehow,) and so what they refuse to pay in salary and benefits is paid in taxes. You can btch all ya want about it, but if ya didn't have a progressive tax system( the wealth redistribution you say doesn't work,) then this country would be a sh-i-thole.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, not at birth.You're up in arms about it, but you are both living in redneck states.You can't escape the backwards economic thinking that white trash have. Look at where that simple thinking white trash Jeff Kent made a beeline for when he went to make home for his family....TEXAS!! You have said repeatedly that it doesn't help the middle class if you redistribute the wealth. Well, we've been doing it a long time. It does strengthen the middleclass. If we didn't do it, you would just see rich and poor. You are all hot n' bothered about taxing your rich doctor friends. So, go the other way and get rid of the taxes on the middle class. That's who needs help in this country. The main reason we have all these problems for the middle class is the rich don't want to pay anybody much. So, they don't, and yet they want a civilized society (somehow,) and so what they refuse to pay in salary and benefits is paid in taxes. You can btch all ya want about it, but if ya didn't have a progressive tax system( the wealth redistribution you say doesn't work,) then this country would be a sh-i-thole.

When you move back to the US you can talk

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, not at birth.You're up in arms about it, but you are both living in redneck states.You can't escape the backwards economic thinking that white trash have. Look at where that simple thinking white trash Jeff Kent made a beeline for when he went to make home for his family....TEXAS!! You have said repeatedly that it doesn't help the middle class if you redistribute the wealth. Well, we've been doing it a long time. It does strengthen the middleclass. If we didn't do it, you would just see rich and poor. You are all hot n' bothered about taxing your rich doctor friends. So, go the other way and get rid of the taxes on the middle class. That's who needs help in this country. The main reason we have all these problems for the middle class is the rich don't want to pay anybody much. So, they don't, and yet they want a civilized society (somehow,) and so what they refuse to pay in salary and benefits is paid in taxes. You can btch all ya want about it, but if ya didn't have a progressive tax system( the wealth redistribution you say doesn't work,) then this country would be a sh-i-thole.

Oh now wait one moment sir.
Our progressive tax system... you just said rich people
are not willing to pay their fair share. How much more do
you want the wealthy to pay, since it is so bad now?

So I need to know what wealthy is.
And what % of their income they should pay.
Thats all I want.

Hell I would pay a 50% tax rate to live in this country.
I would have no problem with that. I would adjust. Get rid
of a car, etc... But I dont take
major risks to try and build the ecomony like some "rich"
business men that could become very poor in an instant.

BTW about 68% of the taxes I am payed comes from homeowners
in our school area, which is clearly not wealthy. So I, in fact, pay
myself along with my neighbors.
About 29% comes from the State. Supposedly the Lottery.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh now wait one moment sir.
Our progressive tax system... you just said rich people
are not willing to pay their fair share. How much more do
you want the wealthy to pay, since it is so bad now?

No, they aren't willing to pay their fair share. They have to be forced to pay it. I am not saying we have to go over 50%. I have given everyone here an example of where this system is off the tracks, and sucking the blood of the poor and the middle class. That's when the oil companies take 40cents a gallon n' pocket it each time people put gas in their tanks. I am not necessarily saying the price people pay is incredibly out of whack, but they are making 10% profit no matter if costs $2.50 a gallon, or $4.50 a gallon. There is no competition. Not a free market where other companies can cut that profit in half to try to compete. Just suck, suck, suck blood from the poor n' middle class to the tune of 10 bil a quarter per company(regularly.)
Not only that, but they get tax breaks while the rape is occuring. Then , you hear, well stockholders are making money...So, it's not just the oil companies doing good. That's just garbage. The average poor or middle class couple is getting they a-s-s eaten up by these oil companies. It's a flaw in our economic system, and it's been allowed to continue. That's the kind of devastation you and Zig don't understand, and never will. You believe it's a system where ya just work harder and harder and things will work themselves out. They don't. This needs correction. It's a protected monopoly, and it is the way this economic sytem would look all over the country if we didn't have a progressive tax system, and other controls in place.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, they aren't willing to pay their fair share. They have to be forced to pay it. I am not saying we have to go over 50%. I have given everyone here an example of where this system is off the tracks, and sucking the blood of the poor and the middle class. That's when the oil companies take 40cents a gallon n' pocket it each time people put gas in their tanks. I am not necessarily saying the price people pay is incredibly out of whack, but they are making 10% profit no matter if costs $2.50 a gallon, or $4.50 a gallon. There is no competition. Not a free market where other companies can cut that profit in half to try to compete. Just suck, suck, suck blood from the poor n' middle class to the tune of 10 bil a quarter per company(regularly.)
Not only that, but they get tax breaks while the rape is occuring. Then , you hear, well stockholders are making money...So, it's not just the oil companies doing good. That's just garbage. The average poor or middle class couple is getting they a-s-s eaten up by these oil companies. It's a flaw in our economic system, and it's been allowed to continue. That's the kind of devastation you and Zig don't understand, and never will. You believe it's a system where ya just work harder and harder and things will work themselves out. They don't. This needs correction. It's a protected monopoly, and it is the way this economic sytem would look all over the country if we didn't have a progressive tax system, and other controls in place.

Oh cmon. Nobody is willing to freely pay taxes. Everyone thinks they are taxed too much.
And dammit... Oil companies are going to make huge profits because they are dealing with a commodity WE are addicted to. Its just the infrastructure for oil use is so in place its very easy to use.
Just you wait.
If Congress passes that damn bill for tax credits dealing with alternative energy you will see an explosion of new ideas just like with PC's. There are people just waiting to jump on cleaner ways to produce enough energy to shove electrons through wires. We have so much excess wind energy in Texas they have to shut down the turbines because we dont have enough lines to transmit the energy. The new technology is ready to blossom. It needs a governmental shove to catalyze the swing.
People do not realize we are on the cusp of something very good. The best thing that could happen is what Coach Pants wanted. Oil skyrocketing to 200 a barrel. But OPEC understands that when gas went to 4+ bucks/gallon, people stopped consuming. They learned the upper limit at this time. And we see oil prices dropping back down to close to 100/barrel. I suspect production levels will aim to keep it about right there so people will keep on the crack oil addiction.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Yes Zig, neither of you believe in a progressive tax system, and that's(the progressive tax system) the only thing keeping this country from being a total sh-i-thole. You think it's cool to have such a difference between the rich and the middle class. It isn't. Any further separation between the 2 is gunna be very ugly. You don't get that. Never have, and never will. I know that going in(for both of you.) So, on economic stuff I never pay much attention to you two. To me, neither of you will ever comprehend the weaknesses inherent in any free market system. They aren't nearly as much about hard work(which is what you both think they are about) as they are about who has control of the results from hard work. They are flawed systems, and you both seem to think those flaws will work themselves out on their own. They don't. All these things you see done (and you think are unfair to the rich you adore) are just attempts to correct the natural flaws in this economic system. It's a juggling act. If you ignore those flaws, you will have just rich n' poor. If you restrain the system too much, then you'll get poor overall production. The answer, however is not to just do nothing(and allow a flawed system to result in just 2 types of economic classes.) You bother encourage that, and it's ill.