shooting in sc

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

[Pants II]

Back on topic kinda went off the rails there but that part of the Freddie Gray case has bothered me immensely. It's, imho, the greatest crime of all.

Now about this incident.

How many 21 year old chili bowl southern boys you know that are hip to apartheid and Rhodesia?

Lone wolf? Pfffffffft.

[Pants II]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nckney/396251/

June 17th 1822. Coinky dink?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

[Danzig]

I do think tho that we as a nation need to start looking to our selves more, and the rest of the world a bit less. We have serious issues at home to take care of, and politicians who worry more about the next election than they do about doing their job they were elected to do...and people wanting to do overseas what they say we haven't got the money to do here. We have people either denying or exploiting the various problems we have to face and, more importantly, fix.

[Danzig]

And now I read this:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ime_still.html


Yeah, thanks for speaking up in time to...oh, I don't know.....keep it from happening.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I do think tho that we as a nation need to start looking to our selves more, and the rest of the world a bit less. We have serious issues at home to take care of, and politicians who worry more about the next election than they do about doing their job they were elected to do...and people wanting to do overseas what they say we haven't got the money to do here. We have people either denying or exploiting the various problems we have to face and, more importantly, fix.

Yet today the House passed TAA.

TAA/TPA really about keep the trade and supply lines hassle free for our future conflicts with China/Russia/Iran

[Danzig]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinio...ing/index.html


I just finished reading this, thought I'd share it. She seems to do a better job than I on saying what I was trying to say.

Roof didnt do this because of video games. It was hate.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinio...ing/index.html


I just finished reading this, thought I'd share it. She seems to do a better job than I on saying what I was trying to say.

Stewart tonite suspended comedy,first 5 mins talked about the shooting and rest of show talked with his guest Malala Yousafzai..amazing young girl..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Stewart tonite suspended comedy,first 5 mins talked about the shooting and rest of show talked with his guest Malala Yousafzai..amazing young girl..

She really is amazing. Very inspiring.. I was not happy the other day when i read that most of those involved in her attack were out of jail.

[TheSpyder]

And wipe out a great deal of the textile industry in this hemisphere by giving huge advantages to our friends in China and Viet Nam.

Originally Posted by Pants II

Yet today the House passed TAA.

TAA/TPA really about keep the trade and supply lines hassle free for our future conflicts with China/Russia/Iran

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

And wipe out a great deal of the textile industry in this hemisphere by giving huge advantages to our friends in China and Viet Nam.

i can't believe how little notice has been paid to that trade deal. i started a thread on it a few weeks ago...nothing. about the same response as all over the country.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

Most of these 'lone wolf' shooters are 'shut-ins'. No socializing outside of the internet. Easily influenced by manipulators (and they're in abundance) on the fringe forums and Darknet.

I looked at a few photos of this young man and he was once a happy individual. In the span of a year or so his face completely changed. And he was openly talking to his roommate about doing horrific things to minorities and that buffoon didn't tell one authority figure until now.

This is insanity.

What the left and right need to do is arguably come to a compromise on mental health care. We already subsidize so many aspects of health care yet this is one that is sorely underfunded.

And this goes against my core beliefs about government but I'm not going to kid myself and not see the mental decline in a few of my neighbors and the assorted characters throughout this city.

Best way to keep tabs on them is have them talking to someone who takes good notes.

[Pants II]

Mr. Roof’s current address is listed in public records as being in this rural speck of a town southeast of Columbia with an overwhelmingly black population. On Mr. Roof’s Facebook profile, which was taken down Thursday, many of his 88 friends were black. More than half a dozen cars from the Richland County sheriff’s office were parked along the dusty driveway outside the two-story wood-frame home in Eastover. A man in a straw hat came out of the house and told a reporter: “Make your way right back where you came from. Get off the property now.”

From school records, Mr. Roof appears to have moved back and forth as a child between Richland County, which includes Columbia and Eastover, and nearby Lexington County to the west. He attended ninth grade twice: at White Knoll High School in Lexington in the 2008-9 school year and, the next school year, at White Knoll until February 2010, when he transferred to Dreher High School in Columbia. Neither school district had records of his finishing high school.

A neighbor in Eastover, Debra Scott, 50, said that she had seen Mr. Roof walking to and from a nearby market but that she knew very little about him or anyone else who might live in his house. She described the house as “very quiet” and said Mr. Roof “seemed like a normal kid.”

But Ms. Scott, who is black, said she was “scared to death” after hearing news reports that Mr. Roof wanted to kill black people. “My concern is that he’s saying he’s out to kill black people,” she said, unaware that he had been arrested. “We’re the closest ones to him.”

She added that her grandmother had called her Thursday morning and told her: “Get out of that bed. That boy was from Garners Ferry,” the name of the street where she and Mr. Roof lived.

Mr. Meek said that as a child, Mr. Roof would sometimes sleep over at his house. He described Mr. Roof as so quiet and shy that “his mom pushed him out of the house and told him to make friends.” He added, “Every friend he made, I made for him.”

Mr. Roof dropped out of high school after the ninth grade, Mr. Meek said, and the two fell out of touch. But this year, Mr. Roof sent him a Facebook friend request and the two got together again, often to go drinking or to strip clubs. Mr. Roof liked vodka and water, Mr. Meek said, adding, “I never saw him with a girl.”

He said Mr. Roof worked in landscaping and seemed to live an itinerant life, sometimes sleeping in his car. In recent weeks his behavior turned more bizarre, as he talked about wanting to burn an American flag and get his neck tattooed with the word “dagger.”

The friends last saw Mr. Roof on Tuesday when Ms. Fry found him sleeping in his car parked on a sandy patch in front of Mr. Meek’s house. Asked if she considered that odd, Ms. Fry replied, “He does weird things all the time.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us...supremacy.html

[Pants II]

fixing issues

How about a few of the items on

usdebtclock.org

Seems to me gun confiscation and bankrupting a few more american companies just adds to the problem.

It's like some of you are being possessed by the television.

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...business_pop_b

I knew that buildings and the like were named as a way of thumbing southern noses at DC, civil rights and segregation, but I didn't know the flag was resurrected at that time. I figured not never left.

But really, the church attack is just one of many acts by people in the south who still want to keep fighting. Its never come to a complete end here, with post civil war atrocities, the kkk formation, Jim crow, lynchings thru to today. In Alabama, they still have a law on the books banning interracial marriage.