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[dellinger63]

"At some point," he added, "we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other developed countries."

Barak Obama

Um is France a developed country?

How about Norway where a gunman killed 85?

Germany, Russia, Finland, Spain, Australia and Italy, are they developed countries?

Guess ignorance is bliss for some.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Um is France a developed country?

How about Norway where a gunman killed 85?

Germany, Russia, Finland, Spain, Australia and Italy, are they developed countries?

Guess ignorance is bliss for some.

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

[Kasept]

South Carolina's oh-so-special Sen. Lindsey Graham.. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...us-charleston/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

South Carolina's oh-so-special Sen. Lindsey Graham.. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...us-charleston/

Oh, god. Lindsey graham. Jesus. That guy is indescribably idiotic.

[Pants II]

Subuxone, reports the dude played fps games 8-12 hours a day, did obvious research on the Church hence the correlation of historic date...

and we're still going to be told it's a lone wolf. Even though we know the Boston Bombers were influenced by individuals on the net.

This young man is a victim of the MIC. From the poppy fields to the television set.

Sickening.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.

[Pants II]

Reichstag Fire Decree, suspended the provisions of the German constitution that protected basic individual rights, including freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly. The decree also permitted increased state and police intervention into private life, allowing officials to censor mail, listen in on phone conversations, and search private homes without a warrant or need to show reasonable cause. Under the state of emergency established by the decree, the Nazi regime could arrest and detain people without cause and without limits on the length of incarceration.

Taking advantage of a frightened public. Taking away their rights.

Easily being swayed by emotion. The easiest to manipulate and control.

Very little difference.

History often repeats.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Because it's comparable especially considering your boyfriend Obummer just said it doesn't happen anywhere civilized. (not exact quote, semantics tards). He basically said the French don't exist. Charlie Hebdo didn't happen.

He insults the intelligence of non-ret.arded, agenda-driven 'Americans' who are ignorant enough to believe a simple executive order banning guns will actually end these events.

The only way you'll have a chance at success is door to door confiscation.

No different than the Nazis. The hypocrisy is astounding. The naive idiotic mantras you anti-American scum spout when an emotional event happens...TYPICAL. Ban me. You're a shill.

Originally Posted by Pants II

Taking advantage of a frightened public. Taking away their rights. Easily being swayed by emotion. The easiest to manipulate and control. Very little difference. History often repeats.

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

It's a ripple affect of society. The way some/most have gone soft with raising kids and by what is being allowed to be viewed on t.v's,games, movies, magazines, Billboards, social media, etc.that wasn't there 30+ yrs ago. It's evolution and it's going in a bad direction. I really don't think there is a way to stop it from getting worse

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Arletta

It's a ripple affect of society. The way some/most have gone soft with raising kids and by what is being allowed to be viewed on t.v's,games, movies, magazines, Billboards, social media, etc.that wasn't there 30+ yrs ago. It's evolution and it's going in a bad direction. I really don't think there is a way to stop it from getting worse

I disagree. This isnt a new thing, occurring only very recently.

http://news.discovery.com/history/ma...ory-121220.htm

Every generation looks at the next one and says we are screwed. Whether it was women voting, rock n roll, or facebook, some point and blame.
in many ways we are better off than ever. The good old days included polio, smallpox and no antibiotics.
there have always been mentally ill folks and bizarre behavior. What we as a nation need to do is treat mental illness as the health issue it is. The therapist of the colorado shooter was concerned, so he called the shooters mother. Wtf? Better he could have called a hospital and had the guy admitted.
in louisiana, they just watered down a measure that would have prevented people with stalking records and domestic violence from getting a gun. Again, wtf?
This guy seemed a nut, who was fed a lot of hate from god knows where. It was a lethal combination.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

[Pants II]

Back on topic kinda went off the rails there but that part of the Freddie Gray case has bothered me immensely. It's, imho, the greatest crime of all.

Now about this incident.

How many 21 year old chili bowl southern boys you know that are hip to apartheid and Rhodesia?

Lone wolf? Pfffffffft.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

Yeah, what did that vidoe posted on here anout america include? Number one in defense, death rate for infants, and people who believe in angels.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.

I'm not looking to debate what the President said.. The bigger issue that I'm reacting to is how as a country there hasn't been any coherent attempt to figure out how to practically address a problem that goes on and on and on. That's all.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.

Turns out the President and I were both wrong. Norway is the mass shooting capital of the world by far when population is considered. Then there's the fact the four countries ranked above the U.S. all have restrictive gun laws. Feelings over facts rule again.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/3481...es-him-wrong/?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Turns out the President and I were both wrong. Norway Was In The Timeframe I Produced the mass shooting capital of the world by far when population is considered. Then there's the fact the four countries ranked above the U.S. all have restrictive gun laws. Feelings over facts rule again.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/3481...es-him-wrong/?

FTFY

2009-2013. You are presenting this as if it reflects 19-June-2015. Again Cherry picked facts over reality. I certainly don't have anything updated but I gotta call you out on posting 2009-2013 as if it reflects the current situation.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

FTFY

2009-2013. You are presenting this as if it reflects 19-June-2015. Again Cherry picked facts over reality. I certainly don't have anything updated but I gotta call you out on posting 2009-2013 as if it reflects the current situation.

So you're saying there have been 4,651 killed in the mass shootings in the past 2 years here? Because that would be what it would take for us to equal Norway provided there hasn't been any killed via mass shootings there.

The chart is outdated by 2 years old but simple math, provided the USA has a population of 319 million, extrapolates the above number that we are fortunately way short of.

Again feelings over facts usually isn't a good way to handle statistics.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So you're saying there have been 4,651 killed in the mass shootings in the past 2 years here? Because that would be what it would take for us to equal Norway provided there hasn't been any killed via mass shootings there.

The chart is outdated by 2 years old but simple math, provided the USA has a population of 319 million, extrapolates the above number that we are fortunately way short of.

Again feelings over facts usually isn't a good way to handle statistics.

So your point is we have no issue with Gun violence in this country cause other countries have it worse? Kind of like your position on the poor in our country should be happy cause the poor in Haiti have it worse off?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

FTFY

2009-2013. You are presenting this as if it reflects 19-June-2015. Again Cherry picked facts over reality. I certainly don't have anything updated but I gotta call you out on posting 2009-2013 as if it reflects the current situation.

pretending there's no issue fixes nothing.
we have police operating based on race, a city who used the black populace as a source of funding, and now a tragedy in one church, and apparently an attempt at another in richmond.
but yeah, let's pretend there's no issue. let's listen to pundits saying it's religion, and people running for office who say this was an attack on religion. even tho the guy said what he said...nah, not racist.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-churches.html