MA casino lean likely dooms Suffolk (Update: Deal set for 2015-16)

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really. not a fair example Madoff was/is a criminal. Am I to understanding the tenor of your post, you are comparing Madoff to Gural and suggesting that he is a criminal?

I am not comparing the 2 but nice try in spinning it. You know what point I was trying to make. I was getting on your case for judging someone's worth by their success in business.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not comparing the 2 but nice try in spinning it. You know what point I was trying to make. I was getting on your case for judging someone's worth by their success in business.

Madoff was never successful in business as a bank robber is not successful just because he/she haven't been caught. Obviously I don't have any use for criminals nor would I deem such successful in business. Clearly you seem to feel you have knowledge that Gural is a criminal as you have lumped him into a conversation referencing a world class slime . I only acknowledge Gural's immense success as a businessman. I cant speak to him personally, but he has undoubtedly earned a reputation as a titan in the business community. If you have evidence of his criminal behavior I suggest you report it to Governing authorities ASAP. Otherwise just say you don't have a friggin idea who and what he is, save what the public can learn reading about him which is a wonderful wonderful BIO on a truly great business man. Again I dont know him but apparently Steve does and thinks he is a "shmoe"..That's fine with me Steve must really know him, I don't

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Madoff was never successful in business as a bank robber is not successful just because he/she haven't been caught. Obviously I don't have any use for criminals nor would I deem such successful in business. Clearly you seem to feel you have knowledge that Gural is a criminal as you have lumped him into a conversation referencing a world class slime . I only acknowledge Gural's immense success as a businessman. I cant speak to him personally, but he has undoubtedly earned a reputation as a titan in the business community. If you have evidence of his criminal behavior I suggest you report it to Governing authorities ASAP. Otherwise just say you don't have a friggin idea who and what he is, save what the public can learn reading about him which is a wonderful wonderful BIO on a truly great business man. Again I dont know him but apparently Steve does and thinks he is a "shmoe"..That's fine with me Steve must really know him, I don't

Please cease with your libelous straw man claim that I called Gural a criminal. On a side topic? Can you name all the trainers you used for your horses?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please cease with your libelous straw man claim that I called Gural a criminal. On a side topic? Can you name all the trainers you used for your horses?

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Let's stay on topic when did I say you called Gural a criminal? I said if you had evidence that he was Madoff monster you should report him to governing authorities.

No

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

No? Why is that Freddie? Some "Good Horseman" with Reputations for breaking the rules on the list?

Bottom line is you stated that Steve judged him which is a poor choice of words as Steve didnt judge him he simple stated his opinion of Gural's horse business practices and that Steve judges people on character and I judge them on their success (money they have made). Nothing could be further from the truth.

[ne to socal]

Epic thread drift! Back on topic...mixed feelings on the Suffolk news.

As much as I would love to see racing stay in New England (almost unbelievable that the region that has the Sox/Pats/Broons/Celts can't have a racetrack), I have a few headscratchers...

1) This is a placeholder deal for 2016, no?

2) I know the land around Suffolk is valuable, but I gotta believe a Gulfstream-like redevelopment using the existing oval would be way way more viable than building a new track.

3) Mass horsemen need a break, admittedly, but I just can't wrap my head around awarding those purse levels to watch a nickle claimer hit 6f in 1:14+.

4) I can't imagine what handle might be...might not even be an issue if it's just a placeholder deal.

Suffolk and Rock were my first tracks, and my old man has run his modest stock there over the past decade so I'd love to see Suffolk carry on. But this seems like one last odd gasp.