What to do now

[jms62]

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

[dellinger63]

Fortunately and ironically we don't need the military under the current administration. Instead we'll put our collective heads in the sand once again, just like we did when N. Korea torpedoed the S. Korean ship or when the President of Iran declared he was going nuclear. Or when he was going to fire a missle over Hawaii.

See under this Presidency there are good N. Koreans that trump all and we can't take the chance we may kill or inconveinance them. In other words until we have a new President South Korea is all alone. Maybe we could send some TSA agents to pat them down?

[jms62]

dell don't you think we are spread a little thin? Have we ever in history had 3 wars raging simulatenously.... What would you do considering another war will really put us at risk to defend ourselves to an attack at home.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

dell don't you think we are spread a little thin? Have we ever in history had 3 wars raging simulatenously.... What would you do considering another war will really put us at risk to defend ourselves to an attack at home.

Do you mean another terriorst attack, or a physical Pearl Harbor military style invasion/attack?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Do you mean another terriorst attack, or a physical Pearl Harbor military style invasion/attack?

Do you think the latter is a complete impossibility?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you think the latter is a complete impossibility?

I want to believe that it is, but I'm not sure which of the real threats are capable of conducting an attack like that.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I want to believe that it is, but I'm not sure which of the real threats are capable of conducting an attack like that.

China and Russia for Sure..

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

China and Russia for Sure..

I can't fathom either of those countries doing that as it does not serve their interests.

I can however see a whacko muslim or asian in pajamas try something. Currently we are incapable of stopping unarmed mexicans from invading. Doubt we'd have any better luck with invading armed forces.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

China and Russia for Sure..

I just figured with all the money that China seems to have vested in the U.S., the last thing that they would want to do is try to attack and destroy it.

While I guess the Russians are always a threat, I really just don't see a scenario in the near future that would lead to an attack/war. Almost as, if it didn't happen in the 80's, it isn't going to happen now.

I'm scared to death right now.




















































j/k

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

I thought of that same thing today about Bush. And the administration was talking about that, too, in the last couple of weeks (our need to get out so we can respond appropriately to the rest of the world), although I can't find the reference now.

As an aside, did you see where England warned Bush he might not want to go there to promote his book, considering he admitted in the book he approved something defined internationally as torture and there would be threat of arrest?

If the GOP blocks the START treaty for political hay as it looks like they will, we're completely screwed as far as international respect goes. Russia doesn't worry me, and China really neither - but yeah, you get a North Korea pushing the edge and there it is.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I thought of that same thing today about Bush.

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. "

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea." - Barack Obama

"The president called on China, in particular, to rebuke North Korea. He declined to comment on possible U.S. military action, saying only that South Korea is "one of our most important allies" and "a cornerstone of U.S. security in the Pacific region." "

"Briefing reporters earlier in the day, Deputy White House Press Secretary Bill Burton described Mr. Obama has being "outraged" by North Korean actions on Tuesday, adding that the United States "stands shoulder to shoulder" with South Korea and that it is fully committed to South Korea's defense."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea." - Barack Obama

"The president called on China, in particular, to rebuke North Korea. He declined to comment on possible U.S. military action, saying only that South Korea is "one of our most important allies" and "a cornerstone of U.S. security in the Pacific region." "

well can we agree sanctions don't work and military excercises is like puffing out a chest, rarely works in a fight.

"Briefing reporters earlier in the day, Deputy White House Press Secretary Bill Burton described Mr. Obama has being "outraged" by North Korean actions on Tuesday, adding that the United States "stands shoulder to shoulder" with South Korea and that it is fully committed to South Korea's defense."

well can we agree sanctions don't work in N. Korea's, Iran's etc. world and military excercises is like puffing out one's chest, rarely works in a fight?

And does China rule N. Korea or does that little pajama guy?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well can we agree sanctions don't work in N. Korea's, Iran's etc. world and military excercises is like puffing out one's chest, rarely works in a fight?

No.

And does China rule N. Korea or does that little pajama guy?

Oh, China has no influence at all on N. Korea, Dell. None at all. What China thinks doesn't matter in the least.

Snort.

Have a nice Thanksgiving, Dell. Maybe someone will a start a war you can be thankful for.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No.

Figured

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Have a nice Thanksgiving, Dell. Maybe someone will a start a war you can be thankful for.

Or maybe you could be thankful if we get attacked and simply turn the other cheek? Or even better make the attackers citizens, then school, cloth, house and provide medical care to them?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Or maybe you could be thankful if we get attacked and simply turn the other cheek? Or even better make the attackers citizens, then school, cloth, house and provide medical care to them?

Does reality have no influence whatsoever on your world? The President has called out China to take a stand on this. He is aggressively telling N Korea to back down. There is nothing "turn the other cheek" about the reality. This President isn't into starting wars for false reasons (like Bush), but he hasn't backed down - he immediately went more aggressively than Bush after Al Quaeda, he shot to kill Somali pirates, etc. It only exists in your non-reality-based anti-Obama imagination. You hate Obama. Geesh, we get it. But making crap up, pulling it out of your azz when it has no basis in reality, is just ... well, it's just the way you roll.