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Old 06-04-2012, 02:13 PM
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can someone help me understand why some of the pundits are saying rags cant get the distance?
rags is supposedly a dual qualifer being out of dixie union and gone west what makes the 1 1/2 any more beyond his reach than the other major players
IHA, dullahan, or for that matter paynter
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:59 PM
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can someone help me understand why some of the pundits are saying rags cant get the distance?
rags is supposedly a dual qualifer being out of dixie union and gone west what makes the 1 1/2 any more beyond his reach than the other major players
IHA, dullahan, or for that matter paynter
I would like him better if they tried a set of blinkers on him, been thinking he has needed them since the BC.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:35 PM
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can someone help me understand why some of the pundits are saying rags cant get the distance?
rags is supposedly a dual qualifer being out of dixie union and gone west what makes the 1 1/2 any more beyond his reach than the other major players
IHA, dullahan, or for that matter paynter
From a superficial scan of the pedigrees, Union Rags is by a stallion who bombed in his only attempt at a classic distance (unplaced in the '00 Travers). Likewise, his broodmare sire was demolished by Bet Twice and co. in the '87 Belmont.

I'll Have Another is by a Travers winner, with a broodmare sire who won multiple stakes at classic distances and has sired a BC Classic winner.

Dullahan is a half-brother to a Kentucky Derby winner who placed in both the Preakness and the Belmont.

Paynter is by a multiple winner at classic distances (including the BC Classic and Queen's Plate) out of a mare closely related to dual BC Classic winner Tiznow (who also won the Big Cap and Super Derby).

Of course, specifically for 12f, look no further than Optimizer, who is by champion English Channel, with a Belmont Stakes winning broodmare sire. Load up.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:38 PM
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From a superficial scan of the pedigrees, Union Rags is by a stallion who bombed in his only attempt at a classic distance (unplaced in the '00 Travers). Likewise, his broodmare sire was demolished by Bet Twice and co. in the '87 Belmont.

I'll Have Another is by a Travers winner, with a broodmare sire who won multiple stakes at classic distances and has sired a BC Classic winner.

Dullahan is a half-brother to a Kentucky Derby winner who placed in both the Preakness and the Belmont.

Paynter is by a multiple winner at classic distances (including the BC Classic and Queen's Plate) out of a mare closely related to dual BC Classic winner Tiznow (who also won the Big Cap and Super Derby).

Of course, specifically for 12f, look no further than Optimizer, who is by champion English Channel, with a Belmont Stakes winning broodmare sire. Load up.
Load up on Optimizer? That is a ballsy call. I respect that.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:42 PM
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Load up on Optimizer? That is a ballsy call. I respect that.
It was tongue-in-cheek really, but considering recent winners like D'Tara, Commendable, Jazil and Sarava, I wouldn't be quick to mock those who take a flyer on him.

Actually, now that I think about it, Commendable was by Gone West, so Union Rags just moved up on the pedigree chart.
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:43 PM
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It was tongue-in-cheek really, but considering recent winners like D'Tara, Commendable, Jazil and Sarava, I wouldn't be quick to mock those who take a flyer on him.

Actually, now that I think about it, Commendable was by Gone West, so Union Rags just moved up on the pedigree chart.
Problem is he comes from too far back. Belmont Stakes favors stalkers
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