'paceQuality' figs: Street Sense (last 4); Bluegrass S. (w/Trakus)

[Bobby Fischer]

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Here are my figures for Street Sense's last four races. Also included here is an in-depth look at the Bluegrass Stakes using Trakus Data with my figures.

Pace Quality or pQ attempts to measure the pace of the primary contenders in a race at the pace call. This can be important in identifying a true race shape. pQ2 measures the pace of the primary contenders from the pace call to the the finish. The Bluegrass was a visually obvious example of a race that "came home fast". Figures are listed in feet/second velocity.


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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

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Here are my figures for Street Sense's last four races. Also included here is an in-depth look at the Bluegrass Stakes using Trakus Data with my figures.

Pace Quality or pQ attempts to measure the pace of the primary contenders in a race at the pace call. This can be important in identifying a true race shape. pQ2 measures the pace of the primary contenders from the pace call to the the finish. The Bluegrass was a visually obvious example of a race that "came home fast". Figures are listed in feet/second velocity.


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You play chess?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You play chess?

I think he gave it up 35 years ago.

The trakus data is interesting:

1) is the data available on the internet? And/or have you done these data charts for all the preps?

2) Zanjero seems to save ground quite well; how come SS covered more ground than Dominican? Is that because Dominican angled out in the stretch?

3) Great Hunters speed/pace, these rates figure to be on the low side on account of his being blocked, but if he was not blocked would the figs reveal that he was tiring? The figs dont look too bad given that he wa blocked. I think Jerry Bailey said he was tiring and everyone sort of agreed do the numbers say that?

4) on the SS stats, you give the PQ for the field but I would like to see the velocity for Ss himself. HIs Beyer figs have gone down and this is supposed to be significant, obviously the CD surface was a help as was the synthetic, but Id really like to compare the futurity to the TB derby to see what that was.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by easy goer

4) on the SS stats, you give the PQ for the field but I would like to see the velocity for Ss himself. HIs Beyer figs have gone down and this is supposed to be significant, obviously the CD surface was a help as was the synthetic, but Id really like to compare the futurity to the TB derby to see what that was.

I will respond to the other comments, first I would like to say thank you this is a good suggestion. I will now include this information with my derby prep figures.


STREET SENSE paceQuality with SS individual velocity numbers:




Circular Quay








Curlin will be up soon

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by easy goer

The trakus data is interesting:

1) is the data available on the internet? And/or have you done these data charts for all the preps?

Trakus data is available for free from the Keeneland website. I have the paceQuality figures on a spreadsheet and will post them as I have time to paste them into the templates. I don't currently have a website.

Originally Posted by easy goer

2) Zanjero seems to save ground quite well; how come SS covered more ground than Dominican? Is that because Dominican angled out in the stretch?

According to the trakus, somewhere in the first 6 furlongs Street Sense managed to run 10 more feet than Dominican. Not much over the course of about 4000 feet, but still amounts to about a length in distance advantage.

Originally Posted by easy goer

3) Great Hunters speed/pace, these rates figure to be on the low side on account of his being blocked, but if he was not blocked would the figs reveal that he was tiring? The figs dont look too bad given that he wa blocked. I think Jerry Bailey said he was tiring and everyone sort of agreed do the numbers say that?

They all came home so fast that with the traffic in the stretch it would be hard to spot anything on the figures alone. Even Beyer complained about this one! What do you think? The trakus numbers look good for him. Judgement call

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

They all came home so fast that with the traffic in the stretch it would be hard to spot anything on the figures alone. Even Beyer complained about this one! What do you think? The trakus numbers look good for him. Judgement call

I think it is hard to say that Great Hunter was tiring although Bailey seemed to think so and I guess Nakatani was not going to push the issue. Perhaps because GH was running 2nd position until the home stretch where he fell back a little. Have to watch this again, not at all certain. Could be a useful angle.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by easy goer

I think he gave it up 35 years ago.

Actually, Bobby Fischer became world chess champion 35 years ago and gave up his title 32 years ago. He played Boris Spassky in 1992, which was 15 years ago, in what may have been his last public match.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Kasparov by a pole

[todko]

Dominican had the highest speed from the pace call to the finish. Figure a 12 clip at 55 ft per second and Dominican was running at 58 ft per second. Dominican was the best horse in that race.

The Trakus stats support the visual in this race.

I don't know if you can pull up distance run by each horse from the pace call to finish. Might show who veered the most.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually, Bobby Fischer became world chess champion 35 years ago and gave up his title 32 years ago. He played Boris Spassky in 1992, which was 15 years ago, in what may have been his last public match.

It has certainly been his last to date and has led to his present problems vis a vis the US government. He was paid by Yugo. government at the time on a list of entities you cant do business with..Hence his sojourn to Phillipines, Japan, etc. Now in Iceland. Strange guy; did anyone see Schaap's interview with him in Iceland?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

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Here are my figures for Street Sense's last four races. Also included here is an in-depth look at the Bluegrass Stakes using Trakus Data with my figures.

Pace Quality or pQ attempts to measure the pace of the primary contenders in a race at the pace call. This can be important in identifying a true race shape. pQ2 measures the pace of the primary contenders from the pace call to the the finish. The Bluegrass was a visually obvious example of a race that "came home fast". Figures are listed in feet/second velocity.


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If you were on the "other" board...they boot you off!
Run by a bunch of "A".....holes

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

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Here are my figures for Street Sense's last four races. Also included here is an in-depth look at the Bluegrass Stakes using Trakus Data with my figures.

Pace Quality or pQ attempts to measure the pace of the primary contenders in a race at the pace call. This can be important in identifying a true race shape. pQ2 measures the pace of the primary contenders from the pace call to the the finish. The Bluegrass was a visually obvious example of a race that "came home fast". Figures are listed in feet/second velocity.


- new to this forum any questions or comments welcome

Great information BF, a little indepth for someone like me who likes to fire at the windows but to each is own. Hopefully they let you back into the USA soon

[Bobby Fischer]

lol @ the chess comments.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

lol @ the chess comments.

because you're handle was so obscure?

you know you named yourself after a delusional anti-semite right? i only ask because i have always been so careful what other's might think of my name.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

because you're handle was so obscure?

you know you named yourself after a delusional anti-semite right? i only ask because i have always been so careful what other's might think of my name.

lol.
I like the name. I like the level the guy reached at his profession. Nothing whatsover to do with anti-semitism (or any other statements/beliefs the man has made).
I have no special interest in chess other than that it is a fine game.

[Bobby Fischer]

a little bit of analysis of the figs:

Circular Quay has not in the last 4 races(possibly never) run a faster pQ2 than his 6 furlong pace velocity. IMO he would have(and also likely won) in the Breeders Futurity at Keeneland had he not been trapped on the turn. The Risen Star was also upset by the spill. IMO CQ would have needed to come on much more than he appeared likely before the incident to run a faster Risen Star pQ2.

Street Sense on the other hand has outrun his pQ TWICE, and maybe most importantly- also came close to doing so in the Tampa Derby.

This is interesting look at use of energy by two horses who are commonly lumped together as both being deep closers. Does it indicate a possible stamina/finishing edge for street sense? or did he simply have a great trip in the BC, and a polytrack finish in the Bluegrass? I think there is some (small?) positive edge to Street Sense here.

[Bobby Fischer]

Great Hunter



more Contenders to come...
Also have been working with some formulas to rank performance and also to rank stamina. Will be included in some final reports along with the horses rated in various categories.

[NoCarolinaTony]

[quote=Bobby Fischer]




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Here are my figures for Street Sense's last four races. Also included here is an in-depth look at the Bluegrass Stakes using Trakus Data with my figures.

Pace Quality or pQ attempts to measure the pace of the primary contenders in a race at the pace call. This can be important in identifying a true race shape. pQ2 measures the pace of the primary contenders from the pace call to the the finish. The Bluegrass was a visually obvious example of a race that "came home fast". Figures are listed in feet/second velocity.


Are you sure your figures are accurate. I was at KEE and Dominican was behind Street Sense at the pace call and up until he nosed hom out at the wire. There is no way SS is faster closing than Dominican.

Thanks,
NC Tony

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by NoCarolinaTony

Are you sure your figures are accurate. I was at KEE and Dominican was behind Street Sense at the pace call and up until he nosed hom out at the wire. There is no way SS is faster closing than Dominican.

Thanks,
NC Tony

NC

You are correct.
Here is better update with everthing rounded to 2 decimal places. Look under "PaceCall to Finish". Dominican closed the last 3 furlongs at 58.72 feet/second, while Street Sense was at 58.35.




also here is Dominican's card

DOMINICAN