well, did we win?

[Danzig]

in iraq that is....surprised it hadn't been threaded yet, that the war is 'officially' over.
just read an article on slate that asked was it worth it? and did we win?


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._u_s_win_.html


i don't think it was worth it, and i don't think you can call it a win.

[Riot]

No, I don't think we "won" anything, even though a dictator is gone, and no, I most certainly don't think it was worth over 4,000 dead and 35,000 wounded Americans. Let alone being completely unfunded, and contributing to putting this country into massive debt.

George Bush, I will never forgive you for this, for killing and hurting so many Americans. And it's why you cannot fly to Europe, or you'll be arrested for war crime trials.

[Clip-Clop]

Not just a dictator, the most evil of all dictators in modern world history. Those soldiers did not sacrifice for nothing and countless innocent lives are spared as a result.
But you go ahead and stick with the negative and continue to blame one man as if he can act alone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Not just a dictator, the most evil of all dictators in modern world history. Those soldiers did not sacrifice for nothing and countless innocent lives are spared as a result.
But you go ahead and stick with the negative and continue to blame one man as if he can act alone.

You bet. Bush didn't have to ask the House and Senate to pass a War Act against Iraq.

But he did.

Yes, he had plenty of accomplices. Many making the decision based upon the lies Bush told.

If you think the war was a good thing, and worth it, stand up and make your own argument

[Antitrust32]

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

it was either one of two things or both:

1) he was given wrong information

2) Saddam and Iraq got their WMD's out of the country while the UN and US were threatening them but before they were attacked.

I'd say the answer is most likely 1

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq and found no WMD's. this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars, etc)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying. Bush is not an evil man. Saddam was an evil man.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

Geeshus focking cripes, that's not what the hell I said.

I said that what Bush told Congress were lies. False information. Untruths.

it was either one of two things or both:

Or other things that you neglect to mention. But the information was false. The decision to go to war was made based upon lies.

Instead of addressing my post, why don't you answer 'Zig's question, and post your own opinion?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think we "won" anything, even though a dictator is gone, and no, I most certainly don't think it was worth over 4,000 dead and 35,000 wounded Americans. Let alone being completely unfunded, and contributing to putting this country into massive debt.

George Bush, I will never forgive you for this, for killing and hurting so many Americans. And it's why you cannot fly to Europe, or you'll be arrested for war crime trials.

and this one from London Daily Mirror after 2004 election...

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq and found no WMD's. this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars, etc)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying. Bush is not an evil man. Saddam was an evil man.

you really think Bush just made up lies and told them to Congress?

it was either one of two things or both:

1) he was given wrong information...Bullcrap, he (Cheney & Co,) didn't like the first info and told George Tenet to 'fix' it..

2) Saddam and Iraq got their WMD's out of the country while the UN and US were threatening them but before they were attacked.,,..More bullcrap, the Israeli's took out his nuclear plants years before...so he had some mustard gas, big deal...

I'd say the answer is most likely 1

Its great that Saddam is dead. Its horrible we went to war in Iraq... nuff said... this war should have never happened and it has cost our country way too much (lives, dollars,)

But nobody will ever be able to convince me that Bush knowingly lied to Congress for the sake of lying....It wasn't for sake of lying, he wanted to be a wartime pres and avenge the hit Saddam had on daddy.. Bush is not an evil man.,he's a stupid man... Saddam was an evil man....yes but so what, was absolutely no threat to us..did you shed a tear when he gassed his own people?

[Antitrust32]

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

you really really think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

You do realize that it is illegal via international law - and an act of war - for one country to enter another's borders and assassinate another country's leader just because they don't like him?

Right?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, I have huge problems with dictators gassing their own people. I'm all for the US taking those people out. Though with an assassination, special op thing.. not a full out war.

you really really think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

one well trained sniper or a drone attack was all we needed.

war for oil-like what just happened in libya??

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

think we went to war so Bush get revenge for the hit on his dad? absolutely no way.

at least the "war for Oil" arguement has credibility. the "war for daddy" arguement is not credible.

First, yes, there are people in the Bush administration that have publicly said Bush was very interested in retaliating for the attempted assassination of his father.

Secondly, the "war for oil" argument has no credibility whatsoever - unless you are a country that illegally declares war on another so they can steal their natural resources. You know, like if Iraq declared war on us, to steal our oil?

Good grief. You can't just invade countries because you don't like them or you want their stuff!

[Antitrust32]

we invaded them because we thought they had WMDs

I should have said "at least the oil reason makes more sense than the daddy reason" credibility was a poor term.

There is no way on earth we went to war because of vengence over daddy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You do realize that it is illegal via international law - and an act of war - for one country to enter another's borders and assassinate another country's leader just because they don't like him?

Right?

you mean like physically going into pakistan to take out bin Laden??

I'm all for it though. save american lives. take out those rat bastards.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

we invaded them because we thought they had WMDs

I should have said "at least the oil reason makes more sense than the daddy reason" credibility was a poor term.

There is no way on earth we went to war because of vengence over daddy.

We went to war for a variety of made up, shifting reasons, which most our fellow international community thought illegal. And yeah, one was indeed that Bush wanted to get Saddam. Again, you can't declare war, just because you don't like what another country is doing. Which is why George W. Bush can literally not fly out of the United States to Europe, or risk arrest for war crimes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you mean like physically going into pakistan to take out bin Laden??

Yes, we crossed Pakistan's borders without permission and broke international law doing it, but no, we were not declaring war on Pakistan.

[Antitrust32]

our international community thought it was illegal?

is that why 3 other countries invaded iraq along side of us (UK, Australia, Poland)? and 36 more countries were involved in the war in some capacity?


wow... everybody was duped by that lying sack of Bush! and I thought you libtards thought Bush was an idiot?

[Antitrust32]

Bush wanted to free the iraqi people from the terror that Saddam presented. Saddam was like Stalin in a smaller country.

He also believed, and most countries believed, and most intelligence pointed to.. that there were WMD's in Iraq. It was a horrendous error that can never be accepted or forgiven.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

our international community thought it was illegal?

is that why 3 other countries invaded iraq along side of us (UK, Australia, Poland)? and 36 more countries were involved in the war in some capacity?

Do you not remember what was discussed in those countries, and in the international community, when we were trying to justify invading Iraq?

Yeah - there was an international outcry over us wanting to invade a country based upon tenuous, unproven reasons!

Are you too young to remember, or you didn't pay attention?

wow... everybody was duped by that lying sack of Bush! and I thought you libtards thought Bush was an idiot?

Yeah. There is a generous opinion now, even among many Republicans and conservatards like yourself, (but brighter than you), that Bush and his cronies were a lying sack that got Americans killed for no reason.

But keep carrying his water for him. Maybe you could actually read the article 'Zig posted? You might learn something.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

(but brighter than you),.

change your tampon wench