Graded Stakes a joke

[hexy27]

last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

[Mortimer]

And hates when that happens.

[Holland Hacker]

There were only 5 in the UN at Monmouth on Saturday.

So it is not limited to NYRA Dirt Tracks.

[robfla]

all the good ones retire bcause they run them too hard too fast and too early.

plus, none of the horsemen want the money, they have enough

[JJP]

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

Originally Posted by hexy27

last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

Bobby Frankel

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hexy27

last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

Welcome to racing 2007 style

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I agree, I don't know how that race is still a Grade I.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

[JJP]

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

The Breeders Cup has ruined the sport. There's simply not enough quality horses running year round. They're always fukin' training, though. Heaven forbid they're entered in a race because it's risky. Horse could spontaneously combust.

In a game that involves such high levels of risk, there sure are alot of pussies owning and training horses.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by JJP

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

So Xtra Heat was no good??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JJP

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

[10 pnt move up]

Isnt the problem with the Prioress is its too close to the classic filly races so the ones that should be cut back to sprints are still routing, and that the Test seems to be the race where trainers concede they are not routers?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

If you look at some of the competition in some of those races it wasn't all that tough and most people on this board will agree with me.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

You're right, my mistake. In that case, it's pretty stupid to have a G-I sprint for three-year-old fillies in July when the Test is less than a month away..

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by robfla

all the good ones retire bcause they run them too hard too fast and too early.

plus, none of the horsemen want the money, they have enough

I agree with both points.

[2MinsToPost]

Is The Breeder's Cup ruining racing or is the ownership of some of these animals ruining racing? My point is this, those that say that The Breeder's Cup is ruining racing might think different in November when they can't sleep the night before with excitement about the Saturday when the best of the best meet and battle. Maybe the real problem from my novice eyes is the money in the ownership side and their desire to turn a profit versus a true love of the game and the horse? Lets buy this one for a million, race him for a year or a little more and hope to make millions after he snags a couple Graded Stakes and is sent to the farm to make babies. I realize few make money in this game but at times I think some folks let their ego and their wallet drive their decisions versus what some of the blue collar folks do - and that is own and train for the love of the game. I often at times think about a local trainer who holds down a ful time job here in Columbus and drives to River Downs almost every day checking on his stock. Pure love of the game. Last Friday their he was in the paddock still in his suit and tie from work saddling his horse. Pure love of the game.