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hexy27 07-09-2007 12:41 PM

Graded Stakes a joke
 
last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

Mortimer 07-09-2007 12:46 PM

And hates when that happens.

Holland Hacker 07-09-2007 03:14 PM

There were only 5 in the UN at Monmouth on Saturday.

So it is not limited to NYRA Dirt Tracks.

robfla 07-09-2007 03:17 PM

all the good ones retire bcause they run them too hard too fast and too early.

plus, none of the horsemen want the money, they have enough

JJP 07-09-2007 03:44 PM

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

Coach Pants 07-09-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexy27
last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

Bobby Frankel

Cannon Shell 07-09-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexy27
last 6 graded 1 or 2 stakes at belmont

first flight 5 horses tom fool 6 horses dwyer 5 horses mother goose 4 horses suburban 6 [really 5 and a half] new york 6 horses hollywood not better g1 vanity 4 horses g2 bev hills 5 horses the g1 triple bend had a gaint monster feild of seven. whats going on here ?

Welcome to racing 2007 style

ateamstupid 07-09-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I agree, I don't know how that race is still a Grade I.

Left Bank 07-09-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

JJP 07-09-2007 04:19 PM

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

Coach Pants 07-09-2007 04:22 PM

The Breeders Cup has ruined the sport. There's simply not enough quality horses running year round. They're always fukin' training, though. Heaven forbid they're entered in a race because it's risky. Horse could spontaneously combust.

In a game that involves such high levels of risk, there sure are alot of pussies owning and training horses.

Left Bank 07-09-2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

So Xtra Heat was no good??

ateamstupid 07-09-2007 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

10 pnt move up 07-09-2007 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

10 pnt move up 07-09-2007 04:43 PM

Isnt the problem with the Prioress is its too close to the classic filly races so the ones that should be cut back to sprints are still routing, and that the Test seems to be the race where trainers concede they are not routers?

philcski 07-09-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

Left Bank 07-09-2007 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

If you look at some of the competition in some of those races it wasn't all that tough and most people on this board will agree with me.

ateamstupid 07-09-2007 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

You're right, my mistake. In that case, it's pretty stupid to have a G-I sprint for three-year-old fillies in July when the Test is less than a month away..

fpsoxfan 07-09-2007 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
all the good ones retire bcause they run them too hard too fast and too early.

plus, none of the horsemen want the money, they have enough

I agree with both points.


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