Shocking news from NY

[golfer]

http://www.drf.com/news/dutrow-horse...sed-medication

Very hard to believe a Dutrow horse would test positive for a banned substance

[Sightseek]

In other shocking news:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...ued-for-fraud/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by golfer

http://www.drf.com/news/dutrow-horse...sed-medication

Very hard to believe a Dutrow horse would test positive for a banned substance

i saw the article yesterday...couldn't believe it! well, not really. the best line was when dutrow pointed fingers at the stewards. the saddest part is that he'll get more horses after this is settled.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

In other shocking news:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...ued-for-fraud/

Wonderful stuff

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

In a related story:

My All-Time Favorite Breeders Cup Moment

Funny stuff.

In a related story, the 3rd finisher in Big Brown's Preakness just won for the second time since that race in yesterday's NY Bred Feature at Aqueduct.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny stuff.

In a related story, the 3rd finisher in Big Brown's Preakness just won for the second time since that race in yesterday's NY Bred Feature at Aqueduct.

Whats the moral of the story? It's hard to win races without cheating?

funny how "Uncle John" wasn't a bad guy when Big Brown was winning the Derby, only after Iavarone purchased a bunch of flops does Uncle John become a scum bucket. Not defending the chancery that obviously happened but its funny to me that people never seem to mind when people look to be making them money.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Whats the moral of the story? It's hard to win races without cheating?

I only thought it was funny because of the reactions of the commentators over a horse that was, ultimately ( and even then ), extraordinarily overrated.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

In a related story:

My All-Time Favorite Breeders Cup Moment

Breeder's Cup?

My favorite Preakness day moment


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ebz4kyjyo

That clip should be made into a cartoon.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i saw the article yesterday...couldn't believe it! well, not really. the best line was when dutrow pointed fingers at the stewards. the saddest part is that he'll get more horses after this is settled.

Yeah: this was hilarious.

I mean, it's not like Rudy, who worked for Dutrow, and trains for some of the same connections, would ever get caught cheating. It makes sense that Rick would not get the 'best' (least detectable) stuff.

[richard burch]

it doesn't count if you say "i dont know what it even does!"

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah: this was hilarious.

I mean, it's not like Rudy, who worked for Dutrow, and trains for some of the same connections, would ever get caught cheating. It makes sense that Rick would not get the 'best' (least detectable) stuff.

You talk like you know what to do to catch those that are taking an edge..

I'm curious what exactly you suggest for crafting that better dragnet?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny stuff.

In a related story, the 3rd finisher in Big Brown's Preakness just won for the second time since that race in yesterday's NY Bred Feature at Aqueduct.

Can you do an impression of Frank's professional reaction some day?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Funny stuff.

In a related story, the 3rd finisher in Big Brown's Preakness just won for the second time since that race in yesterday's NY Bred Feature at Aqueduct.

Originally Posted by Kasept

You talk like you know what to do to catch those that are taking an edge..

I'm curious what exactly you suggest for crafting that better dragnet?

Declare martial law. Kill all of the barn cats to let them know you mean business.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Breeder's Cup?

My favorite Preakness day moment


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ebz4kyjyo

Yes, by far the best!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You talk like you know what to do to catch those that are taking an edge..

I'm curious what exactly you suggest for crafting that better dragnet?

Juan Carlos Guerrero was 72% W/P/S in 2010. Clearly, no trainer is able to deliver more for his owners then Mr. Guerrero! If you have a hard knocking claimer on the east coast Mr. G is cash money. 70 plus % of the time Mr. G is delivering slot fueled monsta purses for him peeps. And people say the little guy is dead in racing. Here is a perfect example how a little guy can claim a horse for between 5 and 10k and run him back 40 days later and get a terriffic slot bloated check. It goes to show you no matter how bad things are someone is always working harder to get the job done, a true professional. Kudos Mr G. you rock!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

I don't think catching them is an issue.... that will happen in due course. The issue is one of deterrence.

1. Well a nice start would be to impose REAL bans such as not allowing one to run his stock under a pseudo-trainer change with the same meds at their disposal.

2. Listing vets in the racing forms with vet win percentages (just like the jockeys and trainers) would also be a nice... could weed out some trends (do Dutrow and RudyRod use the same vet?)

3. The industry could choose to start treating these cheats like the sport-deteriorating pariah that they are. Instead, proven cheats like Todd Pletcher (who has toned it down in recent years) and Marty Wolfson (selectively still one of the juciest) end up on ESPN and are exalted on various horse racing radio shows. Some good ole fashioned Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds treatment by the racing officials could go a long way. But no, because these folks control so much stock they control whether the races go, and ipso facto, control racing.

Open to other ideas....

Do you remember the All in the Family episode when Archie does an op ed commentary on Hi Jacking? His brilliant idea was to give everyone "a piece" to combat crimnals.

How hard is it to really find out what Juan Carlos/Rudy/Ness etc. is giving the horses. you have to get the FBI involved and clean out the vermin. They will come back in time but it is insane now.

Yeah lets get the FBI involved. This is of the utmost importance.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah lets get the FBI involved. This is of the utmost importance.

Aren't they busy with Cam Newton