Notonthesamepage: 115 BSF

Kasept · #1 01-05-2009, 01:35 PM

SpecBid winner points now for Fountain of Youth..

justindew · #2 01-05-2009, 01:42 PM

It's one turn this year. He will likely be a major player in Florida this spring.

Ramsey also has a good one in Brother Keith.

robfla · #3 01-05-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

SpecBid winner points now for Fountain of Youth..

ran a freakish race - last time he ran like this his wheels fell off coming in 2nd in a 3 horse race at 1:9

I watched the race live mid-stretch and it was ultra impressive

philcski · #4 01-05-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

It's one turn this year. He will likely be a major player in Florida this spring.

Ramsey also has a good one in Brother Keith.

Not going long he won't.

Keep him short and you have a serious horse.

freddymo · #5 01-05-2009, 02:17 PM

I couldn't be happier for Ken and Sarah.. Ken is a "mench" and deserves nothing but the very best..

justindew · #6 01-05-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Not going long he won't.

Keep him short and you have a serious horse.

You may be right, but with the FOY being a one-turn mile now, no reason he can't run big in that spot.

And if he doesn't, then they can run in the Swale.

When was the last time a 3-year-old ran a 115 BSF in January?

parsixfarms · #7 01-05-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

When was the last time a 3-year-old ran a 115 BSF in January?

When was the last time a 3YO ran a 110+ BSF early in his 3YO campaign and was a meaningful factor when the Derby rolled around?

SniperSB23 · #8 01-05-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

When was the last time a 3YO ran a 110+ BSF early in his 3YO campaign and was a meaningful factor when the Derby rolled around?

How often does a 3yo run a 110+ BSF early in their 3yo campaign? In January the only one I can find the past five years was Da Stoops in '06. And in February just Keyed Entry in '06. Not positive there were none in '04 and '07 but definitely none in '05 and I'm pretty sure there were none in '08.

justindew · #9 01-05-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

When was the last time a 3YO ran a 110+ BSF early in his 3YO campaign and was a meaningful factor when the Derby rolled around?

It wouldn't surprise me if it's never happened.

philcski · #10 01-05-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

You may be right, but with the FOY being a one-turn mile now, no reason he can't run big in that spot.

And if he doesn't, then they can run in the Swale.

When was the last time a 3-year-old ran a 115 BSF in January?

Good point... I had forgotten that.

However, a mile still might be a stretch and I'll be betting against him in that spot.

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

When was the last time a 3YO ran a 110+ BSF early in his 3YO campaign and was a meaningful factor when the Derby rolled around?

Smarty Jones ran a 110 in the Count Fleet...

but they didn't give it to him. They adjusted the number down to a 97.

parsixfarms · #11 01-05-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How often does a 3yo run a 110+ BSF early in their 3yo campaign? In January the only one I can find the past five years was Da Stoops in '06. And in February just Keyed Entry in '06. Not positive there were none in '04 and '07 but definitely none in '05 and I'm pretty sure there were none in '08.

Read the Footnotes and Second of June ran real big numbers (113 BSF) in '04 Fountain of Youth.

SniperSB23 · #12 01-05-2009, 04:06 PM

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Read the Footnotes and Second of June ran real big numbers (113 BSF) in '04 Fountain of Youth.

Yeah, that was in '04. Was February 14th though so a lot later in the year. Chances are this horse is a sprinter but I don't think there are enough horses running this fast this early to say that a horse running this fast early can't be a factor come Derby time. He also ran a 104 last year in breaking his maiden and then stunk up the joint the rest of the year so we may be in for a repeat performance.

10 pnt move up · #13 01-05-2009, 04:08 PM

So what did the mdn winner get a few races later, 102?

I know the later stake went in slow time as the race completely fell apart.

ateamstupid · #14 01-05-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, that was in '04. Was February 14th though so a lot later in the year. Chances are this horse is a sprinter but I don't think there are enough horses running this fast this early to say that a horse running this fast early can't be a factor come Derby time. He also ran a 104 last year in breaking his maiden and then stunk up the joint the rest of the year so we may be in for a repeat performance.

There it is! The first "this three-year-old crop sucks" post of the year!

philcski · #15 01-05-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

So what did the mdn winner get a few races later, 102?

I know the later stake went in slow time as the race completely fell apart.

would have been 26 points lower with no split variant... so 89

Cannon Shell · #16 01-05-2009, 05:05 PM

I think the trainers history is more relevant. Ward has had a number of horses making debuts or coming off of layoffs that run out of their mind that never get back to that race. Not a criticism but his horses rarely have long campaigns.

CSC · #17 01-05-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I couldn't be happier for Ken and Sarah.. Ken is a "mench" and deserves nothing but the very best..

The guy knows how to pick a Trainer, whether it was Pletcher, Romans, Frankel or more recently Maker, his horses seem to run with firecrackers up their arses.

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 01-05-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

So what did the mdn winner get a few races later, 102?

I know the later stake went in slow time as the race completely fell apart.

an 89

As for the win by Delightfull Kiss ... whats interesting about that race was that he came from about 20 out of it with a big wide sweeping move - in a race that wasn't exactly fast paced.

Maidens in the very next race, at the very same distance, went 23.27 and 46.11 - where the Hal's Hope went 23.80 and 46.51

wac · #19 01-05-2009, 06:06 PM

Yes the Valentine's day massacre(sp) with read the footnotes and second of june. I remember watching that vividly and saying afterwards how impressive and awesome the race was little did i know that it totally knocked both horses out and i dont think either one of them ever really recovered. I live in l'ville and i remember second of june getting hurt and having to be put down here at CD. Its so odd how with most horses you only have so many bullets to fire and it seems that these trainers have to space races and time them so perfectly to get there horse to peak at the right time specifically(sp) the first sat in May.

smuthg · #20 01-05-2009, 06:28 PM

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When was the last time a 3-year-old ran a 115 BSF in January?

Did Lost in the Fog put up those kinda of numbers? I know he had some big early 3YO BSF's