obama-invade pakistan

[Danzig]

barrack obama has been critical of clinton and other dems for voting for the iraq war.
now he says we need to go into pakistan, that musharef isn't doing enough to rid his country of terrorists. he wants out of iraq, more troops in afganistan, and open a front in pakistan.

good idea or bad idea?

[brianwspencer]

Terrible idea.

[Danzig]

i think barack is doing exactly what i thought would happen...exposing his lack of knowledge and experience, particularly regarding foreign policy. he wants to meet with rogue nations, withouth condition, and then broaches the idea of invading an ally. now pakistan is no england or israel, but they are considered an ally all the same....i agree that they should do more, and i am heartened by a possible power sharing deal between musharaf and bhutto. i think that would be a step in the right direction.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...into_pakistan/

[horseofcourse]

That's just playing pin the tail on the donkey picking countries to invade like our current president has. Ridiculous concept.

if I here "war on terror" one more time I will gag. One of the worst concepts in the history of the planet.

[hi_im_god]

"if I here "war on terror" one more time I will gag. One of the worst concepts in the history of the planet."

cosign.

we've had a very hard time with our wars on nouns. did we defeat drugs yet? has poverty surrendered?

i hope we never try to take on a verb. i hear action words are tougher.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

"if I here "war on terror" one more time I will gag. One of the worst concepts in the history of the planet."

cosign.

we've have a very hard time with our wars on nouns. did we defeat drugs yet? has poverty surrendered?

i hope we never try to take on a verb. i hear action words are tougher.

just imagine if they start adding adverbs....

it's like the election season, i'll fight for you, we're on the attack, etc. everything is a battle.

like i heard the other day, we're trying to use our military for a job that belongs to the police. they aren't interchangeable, much as we'd like to hammer things into submission.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think barack is doing exactly what i thought would happen...exposing his lack of knowledge and experience, particularly regarding foreign policy. he wants to meet with rogue nations, withouth condition, and then broaches the idea of invading an ally. now pakistan is no england or israel, but they are considered an ally all the same....i agree that they should do more, and i am heartened by a possible power sharing deal between musharaf and bhutto. i think that would be a step in the right direction.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...into_pakistan/

So true! I think Superman needs a few more years of seasoning! Not-read-for-primetime,Baby!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So true! I think Superman needs a few more years of seasoning! Not-read-for-primetime,Baby!

i think he exposed himself (and his aides) very badly here. who is helping him put this stuff together? and are they the ones who will be filling positions if he should actually happen to be elected?

not superman yet--maybe a boy wonder. he needs to go back to foreign policy 101.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he exposed himself (and his aides) very badly here. who is helping him put this stuff together? and are they the ones who will be filling positions if he should actually happen to be elected?

not superman yet--maybe a boy wonder. he needs to go back to foreign policy 101.

You didn't see him standing underneath the Superman statue?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You didn't see him standing underneath the Superman statue?

lol

he wishes.

perhaps there was kryptonite nearby, and he started feeling whoozy. how else explain his plans to invade pakistan?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

he wishes.

perhaps there was kryptonite nearby, and he started feeling whoozy. how else explain his plans to invade pakistan?

I think the photo was on Drudge!

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think barack is doing exactly what i thought would happen...exposing his lack of knowledge and experience, particularly regarding foreign policy. he wants to meet with rogue nations, withouth condition, and then broaches the idea of invading an ally. now pakistan is no england or israel, but they are considered an ally all the same....i agree that they should do more, and i am heartened by a possible power sharing deal between musharaf and bhutto. i think that would be a step in the right direction.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...into_pakistan/

He is playing a dangerous political game. A slap at the Clinton's. I hope he was informed Pakistan has nukes. Sad to say, but these countries must be dealt with differently. Pakistan is an ally only in that their government has made attempts to help in certain situations. But a very significant portion of the population is rabidly anti US (many for religious reasons, others because we are more friendly with their most hated neighbor, India). Their political leaders know this. Very unstable situation in that country.

[SniperSB23]

I think you are all crazy. God forbid we start hunting down the people we actually need to find and instead go after the easy targets.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think you are all crazy. God forbid we start hunting down the people we actually need to find and instead go after the easy targets.

Surely you're speaking of Obama!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think you are all crazy. God forbid we start hunting down the people we actually need to find and instead go after the easy targets.

we've been trying to hunt them down, the problem is that they're in Pakistan.
An invasion/military operation is out of the question. This country is basically an ally only because of Musharaf who is hanging on by a string. Large sections of their muslim population hate us, and its a very populous nation.

Oh, and by the way, they have nuclear weapons.

Obama chances are now gone, finished. He is exposed as a lightweight anti-war candidate who wants to invade an ally with nuclear weapons.

do you really feel Iraq has been easy?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He is playing a dangerous political game. A slap at the Clinton's. I hope he was informed Pakistan has nukes. Sad to say, but these countries must be dealt with differently. Pakistan is an ally only in that their government has made attempts to help in certain situations. But a very significant portion of the population is rabidly anti US (many for religious reasons, others because we are more friendly with their most hated neighbor, India). Their political leaders know this. Very unstable situation in that country.

which is why it is madness for obama to suggest this-just think what that group will want to do now!

then again, tis madness to ever announce something like this ahead of time! what's that line in the godfather? never let them know what you're thinking.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

we've been trying to hunt them down, the problem is that they're in Pakistan.
An invasion/military operation is out of the question. This country is basically an ally only because of Musharaf who is hanging on by a string. Large sections of their muslim population hate us, and its a very populous nation.

Oh, and by the way, they have nuclear weapons.

Obama chances are now gone, finished. He is exposed as a lightweight anti-war candidate who wants to invade an ally with nuclear weapons.

do you really feel Iraq has been easy?

i agree. he didn't shoot himself in the foot, he blew it off clean.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Do you mean one of the worst slogans, or do you think that combatting terrorism is a bad idea?

As a slogan, I can live with it, though an intellectually honest slogan is, "War against Radical Islamists." PC won out with "War on Terror" unfortunately.

I agree

I really feel Obama's intentions in this matter were twofold:

1. Separation and bashing of the Clinton's (they will become great friends AFTER the Democratic primary)

2. Show that he is no water lilly when it comes to using US force.

I seriously doubt he would ever attempt the most drastic of measures mentioned in the article after consultations with the military and diplomats. The man is not stupid. I think he will reword his statements into something like giving the US leeway into making surgical strikes into Afghanistan to disrupt terrorist camps, etc... after consultations with the various Afghan political groups

I also think people are looking for a reason to trash him and he gave them one. I think the Republicans fear his candidacy more than Hillary so they jump at a misstep. It also gives the other Democratic candidates some breathing room if they jump on this.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I really feel Obama's intentions in this matter were twofold:

1. Separation and bashing of the Clinton's (they will become great friends AFTER the Democratic primary)

2. Show that he is no water lilly when it comes to using US force.

I seriously doubt he would ever attempt the most drastic of measures mentioned in the article after consultations with the military and diplomats. The man is not stupid. I think he will reword his statements into something like giving the US leeway into making surgical strikes into Afghanistan to disrupt terrorist camps, etc... after consultations with the various Afghan political groups

I also think people are looking for a reason to trash him and he gave them one. I think the Republicans fear his candidacy more than Hillary so they jump at a misstep. It also gives the other Democratic candidates some breathing room if they jump on this.

I highly doubt this. Hillary would/will be much tougher. the republicans would easily have a field day with Obama. the more he talks the more mistakes he will make and the more his inexperience will show through. yeah he wanted to look somewhat hawkish, to separate himself from the other dems. instead what it sounds like he is saying is "we should not be fighting the war in Iraq, if I were president we'd fight the war in Pakistan", this kind of saber rattling is not going to appeal to either side of the debate.

they also have him in Florida because all they have to do is run his statement that as soon as he is elected he wants to sit down with castro.